New Zealand Newshub blurs out KJK's "Nazi" (allegedly) hand movement

[flyingbuttress43]

As will all these media reports of KJK comments are turned off. Wonder why. No I don't.

You couldn't make it up - except mainstream Aus and NZ media are.

[ArabellaScott]

@landOFconfusion

I would have thought that any sane person wanting to distance themself from neo-nazis would take care to avoid using symbols adopted by neo-nazis.

I see. Maybe women should wear oven gloves, to avoid any unfortunate misunderstandings. And stay quiet. Best all round, really.

[Helleofabore]

"I would have thought that any sane person wanting to distance themself from neo-nazis would take care to avoid using symbols adopted by neo-nazis."

Why would anyone want to give such a group power in this way?

I they started to rub noses as a greeting, should the people who do this have to stop?

You seem to live in a bubble that does not reflect the real world.

[MarshaBradyo]

@Signalbox

And Obama

I mean Obama uses it. He’s sane I assume

[Helleofabore]

Hey World!

You need to check every hand sign you use before you use it to check if a group of people who you don't want to be associated with have adopted that hand sign!

Every single time. In fact, stop using any hand sign. And stop using any word. Because you never know what words have new meanings either.

[CryptoFascistMadameCholet]

@landOFconfusion

I would have thought that any sane person wanting to distance themself from neo-nazis would take care to avoid using symbols adopted by neo-nazis.

🤣

It’s not a neo Nazi symbol tho! You fell for a silly prank dreamt up by neck bearded basement dwellers!

[Minirrriot]

@Helleofabore

She has denounced them publicly in Australian media.

Will that be enough for future reference?

By the way, if you are not expecting Neo-nazis and are completely unaware of the National Socialist Network, or any other future group, why would you make a statement?

And can you please explain how that has worked with ANTIFA and extreme trans activist groups in the past?

Do you think that women's organisations have just not be direct enough? Do they have to name each group to make that work?

I have acknowledge that she has denounced them but she needs to specifically tell them they are not welcome, I have been monitoring the far right for years, I read their media and forums, I know how they responded to Trump when he finally actually said they were not welcome.

They will very likely not come. They will very likely hate you. This will stop giving all the women-hating misogynists fuel to slur you and this will have a knock on effect of not putting some women off. Some women will be put off from this, as much as it is empowering other women to speak.

As for knowing whether they would turn up - of course she didn't, I certainly wasn't suggesting such a thing. But now she does know that they at least may turn up, I really think this is a necessary step to take. I really, really do. It will only be beneficial telling Nazis to do one, surely?

[AlisonDonut]

Nazis have long obeyed the words of middle ages housewives and mothers of 4, surely everyone knows that.

[Helleofabore]

@MarshaBradyo

It’s very engrained into culture as meaning ok though.

Most people just see it as that.

Probably 99.9% of people around the world who aren't nazi sympathisers, or people who are some how fascinated in nazi groups for whatever reasons.

Careful everyone. If you use that symbol when you are 20 metres apart from your partner and want to confirm the drink order, you could end up surrounded by nazi's welcoming you into the fold.

The foolishness of this discussion is burning bright.

[Helleofabore]

@Minirrriot

I have acknowledge that she has denounced them but she needs to specifically tell them they are not welcome, I have been monitoring the far right for years, I read their media and forums, I know how they responded to Trump when he finally actually said they were not welcome.

They will very likely not come. They will very likely hate you. This will stop giving all the women-hating misogynists fuel to slur you and this will have a knock on effect of not putting some women off. Some women will be put off from this, as much as it is empowering other women to speak.

As for knowing whether they would turn up - of course she didn't, I certainly wasn't suggesting such a thing. But now she does know that they at least may turn up, I really think this is a necessary step to take. I really, really do. It will only be beneficial telling Nazis to do one, surely?

Tell you what.

Go and tell her. Tell her to specifically use the term you think will work.

And tell her to do it for ANTIFA and the fucked up protestors carrying 'decapitate terfs' signs as well.

I am sure that every women's group in the world at the moment can conduct a live experiment for you. I encourage you to do this so that we can see if it works.

[ArabellaScott]

Nazis! Feminists are not interested! We don't agree with the notion of a master race and we are not at all interested in invading Poland!

Okay? That do?

[CryptoFascistMadameCholet]

@ArabellaScott

Nazis! Feminists are not interested! We don't agree with the notion of a master race and we are not at all interested in invading Poland!

Okay? That do?

Not in March, anyway.

Too cold.

[Datun]

Oh dear lorddddd!!!

Are we really being subjected to the utter wankery that says not only must you denounce people who have nothing to do with you, that you vehemently disagree with and show up purely to vilify you, and everyone else, but you also have to do it in a certain, prescribed way?

There is coercion, manipulation and control freakery, and then there's that!

Nope.

landOFconfusion · Today 18:18

It is really interesting to watch certain people here amplifying a symbol that has been adopted by neo-nazi groups.

What's 'interesting' is you're the only person that knows anything about it!! I've never heard of it. Nor has anyone else here. It's not a well-known thing. It's a secret thing.

Yet it's something that you know all about.

And when I say interesting, I mean dull, but revealing.

[RufustheSpeculatingreindeer]

Yeah i thought you were playing fast and loose with the word ‘interesting’ there datun

[Minirrriot]

@Helleofabore

Tell you what.

Go and tell her. Tell her to specifically use the term you think will work.

And tell her to do it for ANTIFA and the fucked up protestors carrying 'decapitate terfs' signs as well.

I am sure that every women's group in the world at the moment can conduct a live experiment for you. I encourage you to do this so that we can see if it works.

I have zero contact with her but I certainly have left a message on her channel asking her to denounce.
Also, to the posters claiming Nazis don't listen, no of course not but they do respond - and the likelihood they will want to support you or even show up to these kinds of events if you publicly and specifically denounce is low.

Dismiss this all you want but to me this defending and dismissing is sounding a bit cultish. I care about this cause deeply and have done for years but it does not trump tackling racism, just as tackling racism does not trump women's rights.

Some people seem to think it does, you are welcome to your opinion but for me, it doesn't. I admire what she has done for women and this crucially important issue however when something can be done abd it is not, it does start to look like blatantly courting controversy with no regard for consequence.

Others will have a different take I know but I will make my own mind up depending on what is said and done and how that can be intepreted.

Yes, true the people interpreting KJKs actions are often bad faith actors - but even so, if there is something to be done that can at least lessen this bad faith interpretation AND discourage Nazis, then I think it should be done.

[AlisonDonut]

When do Nazis respond to housewives requests?

Can you evidence this? Or are you completely off your fucking head?

[Fallangie]

@Helleofabore

So, whatever she does is not enough? This is the message that is coming through.

It's standard practice and what the news agencies would expect.

[picklemewalnuts]

I think saying I abhor nazis would be enough.
I think anyone assuming I'm inviting nazis by not specifically issuing a noninvitation has a funny view of the world.

We have services in church every Sunday that say everyone welcome. Should I assume a bunch of Nazis might come?
Do I need to advertise before my next public meeting that nazi demonstrators, and members of Isis aren't welcome, though everyone else is?

I mean, who runs an open event, listing who can't come? The TRAs are welcome to come and listen, and females can speak. I mean, how do you start with excluding people?

[Helleofabore]

@Minirrriot

I have zero contact with her but I certainly have left a message on her channel asking her to denounce.
Also, to the posters claiming Nazis don't listen, no of course not but they do respond - and the likelihood they will want to support you or even show up to these kinds of events if you publicly and specifically denounce is low.

Dismiss this all you want but to me this defending and dismissing is sounding a bit cultish. I care about this cause deeply and have done for years but it does not trump tackling racism, just as tackling racism does not trump women's rights.

Some people seem to think it does, you are welcome to your opinion but for me, it doesn't. I admire what she has done for women and this crucially important issue however when something can be done abd it is not, it does start to look like blatantly courting controversy with no regard for consequence.

Others will have a different take I know but I will make my own mind up depending on what is said and done and how that can be intepreted.

Yes, true the people interpreting KJKs actions are often bad faith actors - but even so, if there is something to be done that can at least lessen this bad faith interpretation AND discourage Nazis, then I think it should be done.

I am very serious.

Please write to as many women's groups as you can and tell them the words you think will stop people coming and protesting.

"the likelihood they will want to support you or even show up to these kinds of events if you publicly and specifically denounce is low."

You really seem to be under the impression that these men were there to support feminists.

Please can you provide evidence that they were there to 'support' the women?

Because considering that probably more than half of their time was spent down in a face off with the Victorian Socialists, I suspect that they were there purely to antagonise ANTIFA, the Victorian Socialists and trans people while discrediting feminists.

But, I will wait for you to provide the evidence since you have said you have been watching them for so long and are watching their groups. So, you obviously have some insider knowledge about the National Socialist Network that operates in Victoria, Australia.

[Datun]

I can't even get beyond people saying they want this woman to denounce nazis!!! Nazis!!

My eyes simply will not read beyond that.

[Helleofabore]

@Fallangie

It's standard practice and what the news agencies would expect.

Great.

Again as I have said to others. Go and contact her and advise her to do so. Be part of the solution.

[Pixiedust1234]

@AlisonDonut

Nazis have long obeyed the words of middle ages housewives and mothers of 4, surely everyone knows that.

Thats because they know they are really really naughty boys . If only we had known they liked being told off. Thanks to @Minirrriot we can all say "go away little boys" in Life of Brian voices and low and behold, they did.

[GourmetLettuceMix]

I am so phucked off with the NZ media and politicians and trans-friendly public figures. Either closing posts to comments or deleting very reasonable comments. I have seen one person go on a horrible rant about trans people and hundreds spew hatred towards trfs. Not that many people seem to know what a trf is. People speaking up in support of women speaking are being shut down coz trans rights are human rights.

My husband has ignored my rants for so long and has believed I'm making a mountain out of a molehill re womens rights being eroded but this has been a massive eye opener for him. He now gets that women's rights = anti trans. He's seen how the media are distorting the truth to suit their narrative. I absolutely hate saying that, because so many (anti vaxxers) have used that phrase in relation to covid and it makes my teeth itch. But I've seen it with my own eyes. Scary stuff.

[Minirrriot]

@AlisonDonut

When do Nazis respond to housewives requests?

Can you evidence this? Or are you completely off your fucking head?

Come on you're being a bit disingenuous. They don't respond to lesbian's requests either but they don't show up when Bindel speaks, nor at WPUK events.

And I can evidence this yes, go on Richard Spencer's Twitter timeline, at just after the time the Charlottesville event went down and you will see how he tells his followers not to support him.

David Duke did the same thing, calling Trump a sellout the first time Trump weakly denounced Nazis, only he (Duke) began distancing himself on social media months earlier, when he realised that while Trump may be a shit, overblown blaggard, he wasn't quite going to deliver the Aryan Republic of Duke's dreams.

Remember all the hail trumping that Spencer was doing? Well that swiftly stopped after Trump denounced and Spencer claimed he was going to vote for Biden instead - because apparently, he (Spencer) is an accelerationist, who thinks Trump will pacify people into thinking things are being tackled while actually empowering the people Spencer hates, while Biden will provoke the "solution" faster.

It works. I think she needs to denounce, I won't be changing my mind. But what does that matter? KJK will obviously do as she pleases and you are more than welcome to your own beliefs.

[NecessaryScene]

they don't show up when Bindel speaks, nor at WPUK events.

Has it ever occurred to you that Bindel and WPUK are not doing open-air rallies, let alone in a country where the local "antifa" are this apparently ineffective?

As a science-minded type, I would have to insist that they run a similar event in the same location as a control to check whether they do indeed have the necessary repellant effect.

[Christmasisshit]

Do you, Witch Goody, I mean Posie, denounce the Devil, I mean Nazis and all his, sorry their associates?