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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

They’re not Terfs they are ‘Terds’ Senator Nick McKim announces in Tasmanian Parliament

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Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 22/03/2023 09:01

I can’t believe the misogyny and hostility towards women.

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Jujuj · 22/03/2023 11:49

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 11:47

Please provide evidence to support this.

It again shows you lack any knowledge or have done any research beyond the superficial.

The National Socialist Network came because ANTIFA was there. So were the Victorian Socialists.

The National Socialist Network spent around (maybe even more) half of their time down in front of the Victorian Socialists. Does that then solidify the connection that the National Socialist Network has with the Victorian Socialists?

Do you see how this works?

What poster on this thread has professed they want to be associated with the National Socialist Network? Do we have to start our posts with a denouncement?

Ok. I will do that if you think that denouncing them will keep them out of any other rally that a feminist group has.

And what was ANTIFA doing there?

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 11:50

CremeEggQueen · 22/03/2023 11:45

The kind of "association" we are talking about here, is a bad person agrees with you about something. That just doesn't mean much. It shouldn't make people change their mind.
Yes, would agree with me about a minority.
It wouldn't be OK against Jews, or Muslims, or gay people, or lesbian people, so why is it when its trans people?
Any "against" those probably say - that they're only agreeing with them on this one thing so that's ok

So, you agree with the National Socialist Network on protecting children from paedophiles.

"Any "against" those probably say - that they're only agreeing with them on this one thing so that's ok"

Your logic is failing you and no matter how you twist it, you cannot escape that you too agree on one thing that the National Socialist Network agree on.

Using your logic you are as connected to this group as Standing for Women is.

NotBadConsidering · 22/03/2023 11:50

StandUpAgainstIt · 22/03/2023 11:43

I am as GC as they come but do actually take issue with this @Helleofabore

"What do you think the women should have done? Made comments over the PA that would inflame the Neo-nazis? Was there even any police line in front of the women, I didn't see it. So should the women turn on the nazis and denounce them with the police lines being elsewhere already struggling to cope with the glass being thrown at the nazis and the protestors rushing the police line to get to the nazis?"

Yes, I do think women should have publicly condemned and certainly distanced themselves actually, for at least two reasons. Firstly, the obvious reason that (as demonstrated on this thread) some some people actually do need this spelling out at the time, as they don't have the intelligence/common sense to realise proximity doesn't necessitate alignment Hmm so it's necessary from a "PR" point of view.

But secondly, IMO nazism should always always be called out. Of course I realise there is a risk involved in doing so, but we are literally already standing up to show our support for women which involves a risk, and Jewish women need even more support to join this and not stay away.

From a personal POV, my initial reaction was to have second thoughts about attending theAHF screening this Saturday. As a Jew, I personally, and obviously, would feel extremely at risk in the presence of Neo Nazis and I would like to think women attending would "have my back" and speak out and show their support.

Yes of course, it should be the police having our backs/protecting us, but as a women (and after my previous response from them about safeguarding women) I know not to expect this. I was having second thoughts as I sure as shit don't want to be in the presence of a group of Nazis, but I'm also not sure I would feel comfortable in a group of women who don't speak up to condemn them.

I realise however I would be a massive hypocrite to type that and then not actually attend myself as I'm scared Blush plus I don't want to give in to the obvious tactic of scaring women away so we don't speak up. I also want to keep my eyes on the prize (so to speak) and not let this issue become a massive distraction.

Again, perhaps hypocritical to engage with it, after saying that, but I feel the voice of Jewish women should be heard on this matter. I will myself condemn and distance myself publicly and would like to think that the more women that could commit to this, the better it will be for Jewish women who might otherwise not attend, or would like support when attending.

Anyway, probably not very articulate as I'm tired (and extremely pissed off at the whole situation tbh) but these are just my thoughts FWIW. (Hopefully I absolutely understand why women don't want to take the personal risk of denouncing Nazism but would like to encourage and explain my POV as someone with female and Jewish skin in the game)

Women who were there have said they were scared. A group of black clad masked men had been allowed to walk freely in the buffer zone by the police and were chanting and acting aggressively and you think think one or some or all of them should have said something at the time?!

Someone I know who was there said she didn’t fully relax until she got home.

Women condemned the presence of Nazis when they were safe and it’s still not enough.

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 11:51

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 11:49

And what was ANTIFA doing there?

Why don't you ask them if you do not know?

Oh sorry.

I denounce the actions and have not connection with the National Socialist Network!

That better? That clearer?

CremeEggQueen · 22/03/2023 11:51

Hepwo · 22/03/2023 11:43

You are very angry about men having anti peado signs.

You are smearing women in their vicinity as being aligned with their anti peado signs.

There were six groups in the vicinity and the police. They are all the reason the anti peado signs were there. They are all anti peado.

Are you?

I couldn't have made it any clearer.
Of course I am anti paedo and where on earth you are getting I am angry at anti paedo signs is anyone's guess as I haven't done that anywhere?!
Unless this is another of the try to discredit and spread fear tactics against dissenting voices like what usually happens on here if you go against the tide?
Paedos sicken me. I shouldn't even have to say that (repeatedly in fact! ) just to give my view on this issue.

ArabellaScott · 22/03/2023 11:51

I'd have been fucking terrified. Antifa, screaming people chanting 'fuck off', nazis, assaults, broken glss, police failing to control the crowds.

ArabellaScott · 22/03/2023 11:53

Freely admit to being a coward in the face of violence, anger, hatred and bile. And I still dislike nazis.

That enough? What else do women need to do to be allowed to speak up on their rights?

PorcelinaV · 22/03/2023 11:53

CremeEggQueen · 22/03/2023 11:45

The kind of "association" we are talking about here, is a bad person agrees with you about something. That just doesn't mean much. It shouldn't make people change their mind.
Yes, would agree with me about a minority.
It wouldn't be OK against Jews, or Muslims, or gay people, or lesbian people, so why is it when its trans people?
Any "against" those probably say - that they're only agreeing with them on this one thing so that's ok

If it's a true position, or a reasonable position, then it can't change simply because a bad person is in agreement with you.

washingmachineheart · 22/03/2023 11:54

I assume the shared view mentioned up thread refers to the publicly visible insults of “groomer” “predator” etc. often used against trans people and their supporters on social media. Search the terms on Twitter should you need a reference.

That trans people/activists are “pedos” is a very high profile and common smear tactic used by some GC people online. Assumedly the visiting Nazis have access to social media and are able to see that this particular angle of attack has shared context in both movements.

FrostyFifi · 22/03/2023 11:54

Green politicians, women, also stood up to Posie as well. Was that misogyny or hand maidens?

Yes, we have those in Scotland. The Greens are batshit.

ArabellaScott · 22/03/2023 11:55

What do women have to do to be able to meet and speak in public?

What views is it acceptable for women to hold?

What views do women have to publically denounce?

What happens when they HAVE denounced them and they still get accused of holding the same views as the people they've denounced?

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 11:55

CremeEggQueen · 22/03/2023 11:51

I couldn't have made it any clearer.
Of course I am anti paedo and where on earth you are getting I am angry at anti paedo signs is anyone's guess as I haven't done that anywhere?!
Unless this is another of the try to discredit and spread fear tactics against dissenting voices like what usually happens on here if you go against the tide?
Paedos sicken me. I shouldn't even have to say that (repeatedly in fact! ) just to give my view on this issue.

And again, you are ignoring why people are saying it.

You cannot support your logic even.

You have no evidence at all. None of your claims even survive once they are scrutinised logically.

But keep posting because it really has provided a live demonstration of the tactics used by extreme activists.

The distraction, the deflection, the logical flaws, the guilt by association fallacy, the polarisation.

It is all there.

they are tactics used to silence women.

ArabellaScott · 22/03/2023 11:56

washingmachineheart · 22/03/2023 11:54

I assume the shared view mentioned up thread refers to the publicly visible insults of “groomer” “predator” etc. often used against trans people and their supporters on social media. Search the terms on Twitter should you need a reference.

That trans people/activists are “pedos” is a very high profile and common smear tactic used by some GC people online. Assumedly the visiting Nazis have access to social media and are able to see that this particular angle of attack has shared context in both movements.

Perhaps CremeEgg could chime in here, because it's still very unclear. Is this what you mean, CremeEgg?

Hepwo · 22/03/2023 11:56

CremeEggQueen · 22/03/2023 11:51

I couldn't have made it any clearer.
Of course I am anti paedo and where on earth you are getting I am angry at anti paedo signs is anyone's guess as I haven't done that anywhere?!
Unless this is another of the try to discredit and spread fear tactics against dissenting voices like what usually happens on here if you go against the tide?
Paedos sicken me. I shouldn't even have to say that (repeatedly in fact! ) just to give my view on this issue.

So you are aligned with the Nazis too.

Cattenberg · 22/03/2023 11:56

I used to agree with you Mishy. The trouble is, once you see the misogyny within the trans rights movement you can’t unsee it. It’s a feature, not a bug.

It’s politicians in Australia (and in the UK Green Party) comparing GC women to faeces.

It’s a group of lovely ladies threatening to choke TERFs with their “lady dicks”, “Kill a TERF”, encouraging others to “punch a TERF” and posing with knives and baseball bats.

It’s privileged white men on Twitter whose idea of allyship is mansplaining womanhood to women and dismissing their experiences as unimportant. Such men often drop the patronising tone and are markedly more respectful when talking to a man who disagrees with them.

It’s women being described as “people with a cervix”, yet men not being described as “people with a prostate”, because clear health information is important for men, apparently.

It’s a white trans woman in her forties, in less than peak condition, taking a spot in a Women’s National Olympic Team that would have otherwise gone to a woman of colour. And then despite a disappointing performance, winning a “Sportswoman of the Year” award!

It’s the belief that a trans woman seeking support from a rape crisis centre should have the option of attending a men’s group, an “inclusive” women’s group or a trans group, yet a women seeking support should absolutely not have the option of a female-only support group, even though it would run in addition to the other groups.

I could say a lot more, especially about women’s prisons, but I’ve run out of time. There are many, many more examples and if you keep your eyes open, you won’t have to wait long to see one.

ANewCreation · 22/03/2023 11:57

Decapitate terds
I eat terds
Maybe it won't catch on?

Talking about women describing their experience and fear of male violence as 'dropkicks'?
All pleased with himself finding a way to call women excrement?
Not criticising the police who seemingly allowed a group of Australian men to Nazi salute and then march away with impunity?
Delighting in running a group called Standing for Women/an event called Let Women Speak out of town?

Wow.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 22/03/2023 11:57

The issue is that they turned up in the first place because they liked what the speakers were saying. And as a feminist I don’t want any association with neo nazis

Neo-Nazis would go to the opening of an envelope if they thought there was a chance of a) being on TV along with their banners and/or b) being in a fight.

StandUpAgainstIt · 22/03/2023 11:58

I hate the word "peado"

Hepwo · 22/03/2023 11:59

Plus I said "You are very angry about men having anti peado signs."

Not you are angry about anti peado signs.

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 11:59

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 11:51

Why don't you ask them if you do not know?

Oh sorry.

I denounce the actions and have not connection with the National Socialist Network!

That better? That clearer?

I know why they were there, was just trying to help you join the dots.

You might not like it but the views and rhetoric of KJK are appealing to neo nazis, and you can’t seem to see a problem with that.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 22/03/2023 12:00

This thread is giving me very negative associations with crème eggs 😢

but because some neo nazi’s turned up to a meeting I definitely now believe that some men are women, men belong in women’s prisons and women shouldn’t be allowed to publicly state their opinions on this matter

oh hang on, no I don’t. And anyone whose mind was changed on these matters by some unpleasant opportunistic men seeing a publicity opportunity would be an absolute twerp

Grumblemonster · 22/03/2023 12:00

So are you saying now @CremeEggQueen , that animal rights activists who oppose Halal and Kosher slaughter actually ARE tainted by their agreement with Nazis on this specific issue relating to the religious rights of minorities? Because you did say that agreeing with Nazis in relation to anything pertaining to Muslims and Jews is not OK.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 22/03/2023 12:02

Neo Nazis agree with biological reality ie that ‘biological men can’t become women by wearing a dress, putting on make up or by taking hormones or surgery’ is not a thing I thought I’d be typing today but
there you go

I also assume they believe the sky is blue & the earth is round

🤪🤪🤪

NotBadConsidering · 22/03/2023 12:02

That trans people/activists are “pedos” is a very high profile and common smear tactic used by some GC people online

I have never seen it as a smear tactic. The only time I’ve seen trans people/activists referred to as paedophiles is when they are actual paedophiles. Like Karen White, Katy Dolatowski etc. And the only time I’ve seen it brought up in discussion is to ask TRAs if we are meant to accept these males as women, how we are meant to tell these people from the nice people, and how we are meant to keep women and children safe from such predators if self ID exists.

Hepwo · 22/03/2023 12:02

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 11:59

I know why they were there, was just trying to help you join the dots.

You might not like it but the views and rhetoric of KJK are appealing to neo nazis, and you can’t seem to see a problem with that.

You are worried that we don't have a problem with being anti peado?

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