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I can’t believe the misogyny and hostility towards women.

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Again, the sign they carried was anti peodo.

We're saying on this issue against this particular minority!

That was was their message.

You are presenting yourself as pro peodo. You are posting on a board where we already know the facts of what happened so your attempts to make people believe an untrue version of events is simply an opportunity for us to make it plain that your lies actually state you are upset that people are anti peado.

So basically if you want to stop people demonstrating or talking, all you need to do is get neo nazis to show up and the demonstration needs to halt, disband because otherwise everyone in the demonstration is a neo nazi.

'Let women speak' is an apt name, certain people are desperate women should never be allowed to speak on womens issues. As it is, as we now know, anti trans as we use the 'wrong words'

Why is it irrational not to want to associate with neo nazis?
If that's an irrational stance I'd rather take that one than the other.

But Mishy, are you OK with males in women's sport and rapists in women prisons? If you are why are you? How do you justify that in your head?

"Neo nazis turning up at a rally for womens issues being picketed by transactivists, neo nazis are against the transactivists = women are neo nazis."

Own it. This has been your logic from the outset.

And some trans people can be nazis too. What of it?

You have nothing to support your claims and we are on page 6. Nothing at all.

Again, the Neo-nazi group spent around half of their time down the end of with the Victorian Socialists.

The real question is why the Police allowed them to get so close to feminists. Why were they allowed to walk past the trans group too? The police allowed potentially dangerous men to be walking around unchecked and then walked them past the trans group! While the police were busy trying to keep the trans protestors back and had no way to control those Neo-nazis if those men decided to act in violence.

Stop blaming the women for something out of their control and start asking the right questions.

That was was their message
Why did they feel emboldened to take that message to a rally protesting trans rights/ women's issues?!
Why that message and to who?
It's not going to be the women speaking, is it?

You are presenting yourself as pro peodo.
How? I have never said I agree with their message.
I am never, and will never, be pro paedo, and it is ridiculous that I even have to say that.

I would like CremeEgg to answer this question too.

What does that have to do with the women at the womens rally? Did they declare themselves neo nazis? Did they give the salute? No. So how dare you accuse them of being neo nazis! Have you any idea what you accusing those women of being? Through no fault of their own but the fact neo nazis turned up at an event not meant for them to protest transactivists who turned up at an event not meant for them

I'm sure they would have signs condemning Halal and Kosher slaughter methods as cruel and backwards, yes. Some of the animal rights protesters there would certainly also oppose Halal or Kosher slaughter. Most people would probably think describing animal rights activists as Nazi was still a bit of a stretch.

(Though eco-fascism is a real and longstanding political ideology.)

I already posted a link on the "guilt by association" fallacy.

The kind of "association" we are talking about here, is a bad person agrees with you about something. That just doesn't mean much. It shouldn't make people change their mind.

Of course you are free to be irrational. But then you can't expect to be taken seriously by other people.

I haven't accused them of being nazis themselves!
For crying out loud, how are people still not getting it?! 😭😂
Just that a view on this minority is being shared.
They both share the same view as each other on this issue against this minority.
Same view, just some at a much more extreme end.

"Why did they feel emboldened to take that message to a rally protesting trans rights/ women's issues?!"

Because they knew it would get TV time. It is not that difficult.

Because they knew it would cause groups to get hostile. Again. It is not that difficult.

Why did they take a photograph of themselves in front of a Holocaust Museum?

"I am never, and will never, be pro paedo, and it is ridiculous that I even have to say that."

You cannot see your logic fail at all can you?

Don't worry, the more we repeat it, the more readers will see how your logic can be applied and understand that you are here posting without applying any critical thinking or more importantly, research at all.

You are very angry about men having anti peado signs.

You are smearing women in their vicinity as being aligned with their anti peado signs.

There were six groups in the vicinity and the police. They are all the reason the anti peado signs were there. They are all anti peado.

Are you?

I am as GC as they come but do actually take issue with this @Helleofabore

"What do you think the women should have done? Made comments over the PA that would inflame the Neo-nazis? Was there even any police line in front of the women, I didn't see it. So should the women turn on the nazis and denounce them with the police lines being elsewhere already struggling to cope with the glass being thrown at the nazis and the protestors rushing the police line to get to the nazis?"

Yes, I do think women should have publicly condemned and certainly distanced themselves actually, for at least two reasons. Firstly, the obvious reason that (as demonstrated on this thread) some some people actually do need this spelling out at the time, as they don't have the intelligence/common sense to realise proximity doesn't necessitate alignment so it's necessary from a "PR" point of view.

But secondly, IMO nazism should always always be called out. Of course I realise there is a risk involved in doing so, but we are literally already standing up to show our support for women which involves a risk, and Jewish women need even more support to join this and not stay away.

From a personal POV, my initial reaction was to have second thoughts about attending theAHF screening this Saturday. As a Jew, I personally, and obviously, would feel extremely at risk in the presence of Neo Nazis and I would like to think women attending would "have my back" and speak out and show their support.

Yes of course, it should be the police having our backs/protecting us, but as a women (and after my previous response from them about safeguarding women) I know not to expect this. I was having second thoughts as I sure as shit don't want to be in the presence of a group of Nazis, but I'm also not sure I would feel comfortable in a group of women who don't speak up to condemn them.

I realise however I would be a massive hypocrite to type that and then not actually attend myself as I'm scared plus I don't want to give in to the obvious tactic of scaring women away so we don't speak up. I also want to keep my eyes on the prize (so to speak) and not let this issue become a massive distraction.

Again, perhaps hypocritical to engage with it, after saying that, but I feel the voice of Jewish women should be heard on this matter. I will myself condemn and distance myself publicly and would like to think that the more women that could commit to this, the better it will be for Jewish women who might otherwise not attend, or would like support when attending.

Anyway, probably not very articulate as I'm tired (and extremely pissed off at the whole situation tbh) but these are just my thoughts FWIW. (Hopefully I absolutely understand why women don't want to take the personal risk of denouncing Nazism but would like to encourage and explain my POV as someone with female and Jewish skin in the game)

What. View.

They both share the same view as each other on this issue against this minority.

Help me out here, CremeEggQueen. (I've just read the whole thread and I'm none that wiser.)

What is this view that you think they share?

neo nazis turned up at an event not meant for them to protest transactivists who turned up at an event not meant for them

Everyone knows this. Even the people misrepresenting it to use it as a stick to beat women trying to protect single sex spaces with. It's because they have nothing else. And everyone knows this too.

The kind of "association" we are talking about here, is a bad person agrees with you about something. That just doesn't mean much. It shouldn't make people change their mind.
Yes, would agree with me about a minority.
It wouldn't be OK against Jews, or Muslims, or gay people, or lesbian people, so why is it when its trans people?
Any "against" those probably say - that they're only agreeing with them on this one thing so that's ok

For the love of god, CremeEgg - what view?

How? I have never said I agree with their message.
I am never, and will never, be pro paedo, and it is ridiculous that I even have to say that.

But you do agree with their anti paedo message.

And you think it’s ridiculous that you even have to say you will never be pro paedo, but it’s not ridiculous that women even have to say they are anti-Nazi (and still not be believed.)

What an absolute mess your ideas are. Do you not see the same ludicrousness for anyone to suggest you’re pro paedo and you suggesting women are aligning themselves with Nazis?

they're only agreeing with them on this one thing

What thing?

Please provide evidence to support this.

It again shows you lack any knowledge or have done any research beyond the superficial.

The National Socialist Network came because ANTIFA was there. So were the Victorian Socialists.

The National Socialist Network spent around (maybe even more) half of their time down in front of the Victorian Socialists. Does that then solidify the connection that the National Socialist Network has with the Victorian Socialists?

Do you see how this works?

What poster on this thread has professed they want to be associated with the National Socialist Network? Do we have to start our posts with a denouncement?

Ok. I will do that if you think that denouncing them will keep them out of any other rally that a feminist group has.

Explain how it’s irrational?

An actual feminist would not be comfortable with a Neo Nazi next to them

Two questions. What is an 'actual feminist' and where are the rules written down that they have to abide by? is it one of those 'unwritten rules' that we're all supposed to know?

OK that was three questions.

I'm happy to denounce the Nazis, if it helps.

Anyone want to feed me the exact line I need to preface my posts with? What do I say - 'nazis are bad and I don't like them'?