What if you're all wrong about KJK? Even her own security have serious concerns

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Her own security are saying she's courting trouble for views, knowingly putting them in danger, that she has no human connection with people but her fans don't notice as they hero-worship her and see what they want to see, and that the end game is she's after becoming a talking head in the US, and that SFW women are just pawns she's using to get there.

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She seems more and more like a Katie Hopkins type who's leeching off our movement.

I used to love her, before I get accused of jealousy. I still love the approach of platforming women who don't usually get a chance to be heard.

But actual nazis are now turning up at women's rights events - precisely because KJK refused to denounce them and has been courting the far right for ages. It's not a coincidence.

What does she have to do before women realise she's using us?
At what point do women accept KJK is toxic and damaging our movement?

If those closest to her have serious concerns - shouldn't you?

Calling critics jealous is also a defence mechanism to being targeted by a group who have bullied her. Or do you not think having a sin page posted on a website supposedly all about supporting women is 'bullying'?

You make much analysis of her behaviour without looking at your displayed in your opening post.

I don't know enough about KJK to be able to say anything with clarity on who she is as a person, exactly what is going on in this tour, exactly what her views are on all things, I'm honestly not bothered.

She is a strong public face, a clear and articulate voice saying the things that women need said loud and clear, and she is very good at garnering widespread publicity and providing a floor and microphone for women to speak to other women.

I am for that. Naiceness has got women absolutely nowhere up to this point. KJK has been part of the loud voices that caught attention and got the UK to put the brakes on the rush to remove women's rights in a way no other country managed. I respect the hell out of her for that. The way I do when she hands a microphone to a woman and supports her to speak out loud, to share her voice and her views, usually in front of a group desperate to shut that woman up. She creates those opportunities for other women.

I would dearly love to be wrong. But, nothing anyone had said here has given my anything to go on, they seem to just want to insult me / score points / project KJK's narratives about her critics onto me.

To be fair, you have provided zero evidence to back up your accusations against KJK.

"I'm also dismayed as all the apologising for KJK's courting of the far right or flat denial, when the evidence is online - look at her videos with a critical eye. She's been doing it for ages."

Just in case you missed my request.

Please post the evidence that you have found to be convincing here for us all to see. There are many reading along who would love to see it. To see just what it was that convinced you.

Perhaps OP you might want to promote your events here so we can go and attend you events and decide if your way is better?
Some picture or video of previous events and dates/locations of upcoming events. I'd be keen to see your way of doing things.

This woman made an amazing powerful speech.Everyone should hear it..

You could grow the fuck up and realise that you will never, ever, agree with anyone else 100% and being an adult sometimes means working WITH someone who you really don't want to work with, till your common goal is achieved. Then you part ways. Welcome to grown up world.

Sums up my views.
My enemies enemy is my friend.

I don't have a leader, I don't worship or 'love' anyone. I am not a fan-girl. I think one of the most toxic narratives in civil society is the 'hero journey'. Once you realise that OP, it's very liberating. Try following your own path and doing your own thing.

There are lots of things you can do to advocate for women's and girls rights without a leader or asking anyone's permission. Write to your MP and councillors; become a magistrate, governor or trustee; sit on your local crime and policing board; stand for office; form your own women's group; organise a protest or boycott; donate to charity, lobby businesses, mentor a woman or girl who needs it. This may astonish you OP but KJK doesn't have to sign a letter of permission for you to do any of this. You don't even have to wear an Adult Human Female t-shirt.

Even if you do need a group to do it with, SFW is ONE organisation. You could get involved with Fair Play For Women, WPUK (they share your distaste for 'domesticated zombies' and 'poundshop Marine Le Pens'), Women's Rights Network, Sex Matters and many more.

All this focus on SFW and KJK is quite bizarre when you consider the many other organisations that campaign for women's rights and against self-ID. So you don't like her and what she does? Do something else then.

I do a lot of volunteering. There are literally 1000s of people who do fuck all themselves and spend the whole time complaining and carping from the sidelines about how we are doing it wrong. It's very familiar.

I’m suspicious that the OP is one of the Head Girls. Which one is it, do you reckon?

Kellie-Jay provides a platform, and she will speak to anyone, whilst consistently and persistently focusing on women's and girl's rights.

You don't like how she does it, and that's fine, but why all the hand-wringing nonsense?

This whole drawing of her as some sort of faux feminist boogie monster is just ridiculous.

There's an awful lot of conjecture and confirmation bias going on with you OP.

AGCL is not a reliable source.

Where is the evidence to back up your claims?

Every single one of the threads like this fails to provide credible receipts for claims made. You are no different.

Being enraged at a woman who enables and empowers other women to speak, women who would not have a voice in your lobbying and back room dealing, should be celebrated.

People are clearly jealous. They bang on about her hair, her nails, her big house, and her fictitious private education.

Ah, are you that poster? That makes sense.

The one who claimed she had personally heard KJK say that she was privately educated in Hong Kong, paid for by her wealthy grandparents?

Iirc, she laughingly refuted that one, as her grandparents lived on a council estate.

If anyone had any actual concrete evidence to back up their claims about KJK, we would have seen it by now.

Was this an accident?
DerekFaker was clearly asking Climbles a question, yet you (andarounditgoesagain) answered... Interesting.

On an unrelated topic, has anyone noticed that whatever name you first use on a thread, MN now defaults to that name each time you post on the same thread?

Yes. And all the powerful words, and inspiring appearances of these brave and wonderful women is getting completely sidelined or, even completely lost, in the maelstrom of 'but what about KJK?'
I don't care about what KJK is like as a person.
All that matters to me, is the extraordinary spectacle of ordinary women (especially in the politically oppressive cultural climates of Australia and the US right now) speaking out in public.
Attempts to distract from this are working!

KJK is a brave woman who along the way picked up this baton to give a voice for everyday women and girls. She gives bravery to those everyday women and girls to speak out too. The billboard brought this debate to the forefront- why is the dictionary definition of a woman offensive?
she has also spoke out repeatedly and clearly that she stands for all women, women on the left and right, even the TRA women who will come to their senses eventually.
And how exactly is she ‘courting the far right’? Left wing publications/politicians/ figures aren’t exactly lining up to speak to her and offer support even though a lot of the women at the LWS events are of the left.

I think this movement 100% needs KJK. She's bold, confident and seems to thrive under TRA abuse.

I'm interested in her actions rather than her words and she's putting herself in the centre of it and forcing conversation in the media, now around the world.

She's right on this subject whatever you think of her other views and whoever she may piss off on the way.

To be who she is and do what she does, she's not going to tick everyone's box. But she's not some kind of evil plotting villain.

You are brave OP. I think we should be able to discuss controversy surrounding KJK but most posters on here are firmly no debate.

Yes!

it’s very good update (although as a frequent piss taking name changer it means I end up posting on various resurrected not-quite-zombie threads as different names in a single day).

Hoping to get a new name from this thread but all OP’s posts have been rather dull so far!

What? This is a debate.

OP hasn't been told to fuck off or shut up that I can see, any more than you ever have.

Brave? Is this what passes for brave now? Couching you slanderous remarks under a blanket of feelings?

I agree. But saying FWR posters are "all wrong" about her is not a way to do this. I repeat my q from earlier - what do I think about KJK that is wrong? What claim have I made that is incorrect?

Citations please

Debate is great but actual debate is impossible when over and over again once we’ve stripped away all of the disingenuity and wilful misinterpretation we end up with nothing more than ‘I just don’t like her’.

Not liking someone isn’t a debate topic,

'Debate' really doesn't mean 'agree with'.