What if you're all wrong about KJK? Even her own security have serious concerns

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Her own security are saying she's courting trouble for views, knowingly putting them in danger, that she has no human connection with people but her fans don't notice as they hero-worship her and see what they want to see, and that the end game is she's after becoming a talking head in the US, and that SFW women are just pawns she's using to get there.

twitter.com/Fair_Maiden1/status/1637529465126285312

She seems more and more like a Katie Hopkins type who's leeching off our movement.

I used to love her, before I get accused of jealousy. I still love the approach of platforming women who don't usually get a chance to be heard.

But actual nazis are now turning up at women's rights events - precisely because KJK refused to denounce them and has been courting the far right for ages. It's not a coincidence.

What does she have to do before women realise she's using us?
At what point do women accept KJK is toxic and damaging our movement?

If those closest to her have serious concerns - shouldn't you?

OP is going to tell us, any moment, with receipts...

This is a really bizarre thread. No one is so hungry for 'publicity' that they'll put their own lives and career on the line in order to get public attention. You'd have to be seriously unwell to pursue fame 'at any price'.

Yes she has 4 kids and she has been very concerned about them, did a video the other day saying how much she misses them. I think she waited until the youngest was old enough to really get into women's rights, and she's always very clear she's very much motivated by protecting her kids and other people's kids too.

When the woke left won't allow you to speak, you have to go elsewhere. The reason all the gender critical figurheads have to go on places like GB News and Tucker Carlson to get their message out is because the left is doing everything possible to cancel and silence them. This is not courting, this is free speech. It may be reaching the ears of the right, but only because the left refuse to listen. As I've said before if gender critical people are allowed to have their voice heard on right wing platforms then maybe, just maybe KJK et all can actually steer the right on ideas where the right doesn't normally get left views e.g. reproductive rights.

I name change frequently. Been more years than I care to remember. I remember the Mouldies debacle and Cod (and her departure), not that it should made a difference.

I was definitely radicalised on Mumsnet, and peaked by Magdalen and Jane Clare Jones.

I went to some of Venice's early events, and KJK's events, although she was Posie in those days.

'I don't know', 'I believe', 'I would dearly love', 'I'm also dismayed'.

Gosh, you are ball's deep in your feelings. Got any facts?

I think when one bigot loves another bigot very much bigot one invites bigot two to a ball

or something

The OP is full of victim blaming.

If KJK is expressing views - presumably such as women don't have penises - that are putting her security at risk that's the fault of the violent males who don't like being called out for their woman hating behaviour. It's not on KJK.

The security are free to get other jobs.

What a world we live in where women are afraid to say the words 'women don't have penises' for fear of violent reprisals.

"I would dearly love to be wrong. But, nothing anyone had said here has given my anything to go on, they seem to just want to insult me / score points / project KJK's narratives about her critics onto me."

Why should one person on this thread do any work for you?

There are so many threads about this topic on this board. Fuck there is even one active in the top 10 threads right now. And I have posted there a rebuttal of the fuckwittery that is that she had a selfie taken with a person who she had no connection with and who was not part of the conference at all from any information that can be found.

We have been through these accusations so often now. There are transcripts on these threads of just what she did and didn't say on her videos. Believe me, the posters who are here telling you that you are the one who has patronised and offended people with you posts have actually done the work and combed through the transcripts and the meagre evidence and found it never shows how the bad faith interpretation said.

These are the three questions that you asked:

"What does she have to do before women realise she's using us?"
"At what point do women accept KJK is toxic and damaging our movement?"

"If those closest to her have serious concerns - shouldn't you?"

What part of that post was asking us for evidence to disprove your already made accusations?

What part of those questions were we supposed to interpret as you asking for any evidence from us at all?

Your OP came across immediately as dishonest and this statement just continues that dishonesty.

You aren't aware that many will do anything for fame?

Also, look up narcissism. I don't know KJK well enough to know if she's a narc, but I have my suspicions as a lot of her behaviour falls into that pattern. Calling critics "jealous" is a huge red flag on that score, for a start.

KJK is a brave and strong woman. She walks her own path and she has done a huge amount to raise awareness. I have nothing but admiration for her to speak the truth, when other women were not able to, despite the threats made to her by police, and activists using the police force to try and silence her.

I would dearly love to be wrong. But, nothing anyone had said here has given my anything to go on, they seem to just want to insult me / score points / project KJK's narratives about her critics onto me.

If you start a threat accusing someone of 'courting the far right' then for heavens sakes, have some actual evidence.

Until then...why not call into KJK's TERF talk and have a pop right at her.

Yes, OP, call terftalk and put your concerns to KJK herself.

Threads like this are great because they really help clarify my thoughts on why I think KJK is a TOTAL LEGEND.

They also make me really sure that cancelling my radical notion subscription and requesting a refund was absolutely the right thing to do, because I find the attempted smearing of KJK utterly distasteful.

Also calling her a 'narc' is a bit silly - I have done it myself with certain people but you know it's not actually a diagnosis, don't you? Or are you one of those people with a degree in psychology from YouTube shorts?

You have to be pretty NARC ADJACENT to put yourself on the line like she has.

I think we are making steps towards change. Thanks to the many brave and strong women including KJK. Trying to smear her is not going to be as successful as you had hoped. The majority of people here are capable of making up their own minds.

I do actually have a degree in psychology just for the record...

'Apologising for courting the far right'

The thing is that this isn't happening, is it? Posters here are saying either that no, there's no real evidence of this, that it's a very common slur got out far too quickly by activists who don't like female equality, or that they're not particularly bothered either way.

There's no evidence to suggest KJK is a narcissist. She has a close, stable and loving family, and she clearly cares passionately about women and childrens rights. Has she called someone jealous? Well, maybe they are?

No one who knows anything about the dark triad personality disorders would suspect KJK of that.

If she wanted to be rich and famous, she would be on the other side.

“Hero worship”!!!I’m 72 and have been around womens rights since the 70s.I agree with KJK on all things women,I hero worship no one..I find your post very patronising and childish.Of course she needs the publicity.Do you think politicians don’t use publicty.You are very naive if you think I am fooled by this pathetic attempt to smear KJK.

Just posting this recent tweet from Julie Bindel in case no one has seen it.

twitter.com/bindelj/status/1637769018491957249?s=20

10:52 AM · Mar 20, 2023

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For clarification:
1. No Nazi on the planet supports women's rights, or is sympathetic to feminism. They hate us.
2. If the women at the Standing for Women rally are responsible for the Nazis turning up, then Billy Bragg, Owen Jones, and all the other Corbyn supporters/

apologists are responsible for the Ku Klux Klan sending its support re the antisemitism under his leadership.

3. If the Nazis rocked up at one of my public demos I would roundly and publicly condemn them (but that's just me, I'm eccentric like that).

4. There is plenty of feminist critique of right-wing tactics when it comes to trans ideology, such as:

unherd.com/2020/10/feminisms-dangerous-new-allies/

5. Misogynistic men will blame women for anything and everything and they can take a running jump.

Maybe someone should tell Julie that doubling down on her tweet from last night is not going to send love to those feminists who are making the same accusations that Billy Bragg, Owen Jones, and all the other Corbyn supporters are making...

Will she be cancelled?

I doubt it and I hope that she isn't because while I disagree with about some of what she says, just the same as any critical thinking adult, no woman's voice should be cancelled on the issue of women's rights.

Oh now OP is Armchair Diagnosing a personality disorder. Would you LISTEN to yourself, don't be consumed by your thoughts about KJK, don't let her live rent free in your head.

Do you know what? I don’t like KJK very much.

I left her Facebook group because I didn’t like the tone (although I didn’t try to police it, I just concluded it wasn’t for me and left)

pretty much the only time I think about the woman is when people like you come here to try to manipulate me into denouncing her with made up screenshots

but do you know what I like even less than KJK? Authoritarianism and manipulation

put your case and lose the guilt by association bullshit. Maybe you’ve got a point. But at the moment your approach is too misleading and dishonest for me to be able to tell

Look OP. Just put your EVIDENCE for why you think KJK is "courting the far right." And if you don't have any evidence, stop lying.