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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

TikToker who exposed Jeffrey Marsh hounded bullied

316 replies

DerekFaker · 13/03/2023 07:13

Meet the new progressiveism. A muslim woman being hounded and bullied for criticising a white man.

This is disgusting. I hope she and her family are going to be ok.

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Seasonofthewitch83 · 13/03/2023 15:57

Helleofabore · 13/03/2023 15:52

A standalone video?

What does that mean? Please explain that exactly.

Because to me, this reads that she should have created an 'unevidenced' video where the evidence was not embedded in her video and could then be easily discredited.

So, no. She did not make this about 'trans' people, she did make this about a 'male' person who was acting in a way that has been recognised as grooming by others as well.

However, you continue to make this about 'trans' people.

SHE made it about trans people.

She could have filmed a video of herself talking.

She didnt.

She stitched her own video making an accusation to a video of Jeffreys where THEY are talking about trans people. Its a pretty obvious implication.

I am not sure what point of this is unclear.

It is so so so damaging.

Whether she did it on purpose will never be known.

ArabellaScott · 13/03/2023 15:59

SHE made it about trans people.

No, she didn't. She didn't mention trans people. She just responded to a clip where JM was talking about trans people.

Beowulfa · 13/03/2023 16:03

Can I just check- is it ok to call out potentially creepy behaviour in relation to child safeguarding from "binary people"?

IcakethereforeIam · 13/03/2023 16:03

I saw the video, I thought it was about Marsh. I even thought that the nutters going after her now were Marsh fans.

I find it strange that the take that someone would have on a tiktok that's clearly about one man behaving inappropriately is that it's about all transpeople. It's either a persecution complex, projection or a guilty conscience.

Vintagevixen · 13/03/2023 16:04

@Seasonofthewitch83 off to Twitter please!

Are you LOJ ???

Seasonofthewitch83 · 13/03/2023 16:05

Beowulfa · 13/03/2023 16:03

Can I just check- is it ok to call out potentially creepy behaviour in relation to child safeguarding from "binary people"?

Its fine to call out potentially creepy behaviour from anyone.

It is important to be aware that when you do so, you are aware that if this person belongs to a marginalised group that are often accused of being predator etc, that you make the distinction clear. Like not stitching your accusation video to one that discusses trans people in general.

Seasonofthewitch83 · 13/03/2023 16:06

Vintagevixen · 13/03/2023 16:04

@Seasonofthewitch83 off to Twitter please!

Are you LOJ ???

Why? This is a space for debate, not an echo chamber.

No idea what LOJ is.

Seasonofthewitch83 · 13/03/2023 16:07

IcakethereforeIam · 13/03/2023 16:03

I saw the video, I thought it was about Marsh. I even thought that the nutters going after her now were Marsh fans.

I find it strange that the take that someone would have on a tiktok that's clearly about one man behaving inappropriately is that it's about all transpeople. It's either a persecution complex, projection or a guilty conscience.

Then why were her videos filled with transphobia, if it was JUST about JM?

Words matter.

AndTheSurveySays · 13/03/2023 16:08

How awful. She looks so absolutely terrified for her children's safety.

Shame on anyone that thinks she's responsible for terrorists threatening her children.

Helleofabore · 13/03/2023 16:09

Seasonofthewitch83 · 13/03/2023 15:57

SHE made it about trans people.

She could have filmed a video of herself talking.

She didnt.

She stitched her own video making an accusation to a video of Jeffreys where THEY are talking about trans people. Its a pretty obvious implication.

I am not sure what point of this is unclear.

It is so so so damaging.

Whether she did it on purpose will never be known.

She made a video about a male individual. That Marsh was TALKING about trans people in that section means that Marsh was TALKING about trans people.

Not one person on this thread has declared that 'all trans people are like that'. However, you keep attempting to use this and it is a cognitive distortion. It is a tactic and is being used to make Shumirun look responsible for the threats from people who cannot control their own violent actions.

Again, just you repeating that she could have just filmed a video of herself taking is a form of victim blaming.

Seasonofthewitch83 · 13/03/2023 16:09

Seasonofthewitch83 · 13/03/2023 16:07

Then why were her videos filled with transphobia, if it was JUST about JM?

Words matter.

Apologies - the COMMENTS on her video were full of transphobia, not about JM.

Helleofabore · 13/03/2023 16:12

Seasonofthewitch83 · 13/03/2023 16:05

Its fine to call out potentially creepy behaviour from anyone.

It is important to be aware that when you do so, you are aware that if this person belongs to a marginalised group that are often accused of being predator etc, that you make the distinction clear. Like not stitching your accusation video to one that discusses trans people in general.

Hey people!

It is absolutely fine to call out potentially creepy behaviour from anyone. Except that special group of people that season believes should NOT be called out. If you call out someone from that group, you deserve all the violent threats that you get.

Don't ever, ever include a video of someone saying something about that group. And If you DO.... edit it... oh! yeah! that is right.... if you edit it, it will simply be discredited and bring about the same result. Because? Reasons.

Vintagevixen · 13/03/2023 16:12

LOJ stands for Owen Jones, but I'm sure you already know that.

As someone who uses the word "transphobia" so easily I'm pretty sure you have more than a working knowledge of MRA/TRA's.

Seasonofthewitch83 · 13/03/2023 16:13

Helleofabore · 13/03/2023 16:12

Hey people!

It is absolutely fine to call out potentially creepy behaviour from anyone. Except that special group of people that season believes should NOT be called out. If you call out someone from that group, you deserve all the violent threats that you get.

Don't ever, ever include a video of someone saying something about that group. And If you DO.... edit it... oh! yeah! that is right.... if you edit it, it will simply be discredited and bring about the same result. Because? Reasons.

Your reading comprehension is...interesting.

Helleofabore · 13/03/2023 16:13

Seasonofthewitch83 · 13/03/2023 16:09

Apologies - the COMMENTS on her video were full of transphobia, not about JM.

And so Shumirun is still responsible for the people who are responding to her public video.

yeah. we know.

Still victim blaming.

Seasonofthewitch83 · 13/03/2023 16:14

Vintagevixen · 13/03/2023 16:12

LOJ stands for Owen Jones, but I'm sure you already know that.

As someone who uses the word "transphobia" so easily I'm pretty sure you have more than a working knowledge of MRA/TRA's.

I didn't know that - I am not on twitter anymore.

Thank you for the info though!

Seasonofthewitch83 · 13/03/2023 16:15

Helleofabore · 13/03/2023 16:13

And so Shumirun is still responsible for the people who are responding to her public video.

yeah. we know.

Still victim blaming.

Nope, try again though.

Seasonofthewitch83 · 13/03/2023 16:16

She isn't responsible, but she has a responsibility to use her platform in a way that does not incite hate. Towards herself, or others.

Helleofabore · 13/03/2023 16:17

Seasonofthewitch83 · 13/03/2023 16:13

Your reading comprehension is...interesting.

Not really.

Your logic is .... interesting.

I am just pointing out to readers what you seem to be saying and one of the inevitable consequences of either posting without the videos, or editing the video to hide the words relating to 'trans' people if that was even possible.

Tricyrtis2022 · 13/03/2023 16:18

Could we get back to the subject of the thread, which is that a woman and her family are being subject to violent threats? The pages of sealioning are getting dull.

JanesLittleGirl · 13/03/2023 16:18

@Seasonofthewitch83 You seem to have real difficulty with victim blaming, safeguarding and gaslighting. As I have said before on another thread, I can explain them to you but I can't understand them for you.

DerekFaker · 13/03/2023 16:19

Seasonofthewitch83 · 13/03/2023 16:16

She isn't responsible, but she has a responsibility to use her platform in a way that does not incite hate. Towards herself, or others.

Do you ARE victim blaming.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/03/2023 16:19

*Could we get back to the subject of the thread, which is that a woman and her family are being subject to violent threats? The pages of sealioning are getting dull.^

This.

Seasonofthewitch83 · 13/03/2023 16:20

Tricyrtis2022 · 13/03/2023 16:18

Could we get back to the subject of the thread, which is that a woman and her family are being subject to violent threats? The pages of sealioning are getting dull.

Turning off notifications now too as its derailed again

ArabellaScott · 13/03/2023 16:21

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/03/2023 16:19

*Could we get back to the subject of the thread, which is that a woman and her family are being subject to violent threats? The pages of sealioning are getting dull.^

This.

Yes.