Women's rights general conversations - Thread 4

[Kucinghitam]

Continuation of Thread 3.

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or "Has anybody noticed this recurring theme that keeps coming up??" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions, grr"- that sort of thing).

[IcakethereforeIam]

The 2nd linked tweet is better, more nuanced.

While on the thread for the first tweet I found a link to this article. Woman want to be able to use her son's sperm to create a surrogate gestated grandchild. Her son was a transwoman and died of unknown or undisclosed causes aged 16. Sounds tragic and grim.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/aug/26/mother-louise-anderson-legal-fight-save-dead-transgender-daughters-sperm-scotland?CMP=share_btn_tw

[BordoisAgain]

@CryptoFascistMadameCholet

Although actually, if it’s this tweet then I think she’s got a point re: spending public funds on period poverty orgs and ambassadors

https://twitter.com/MForstater/status/1560167387860795397

better to tackle poverty overall whilst ensuring sanpro is available free to girls in school/youth projects/wherever teen girls are reachable rather than create new ways to employ middle class poverty tourist types.

That's from last August, and if that is her point then she should have actually said that in her tweet today.

[IcakethereforeIam]

@IcakethereforeIam

The 2nd linked tweet is better, more nuanced.

While on the thread for the first tweet I found a link to this article. Woman want to be able to use her son's sperm to create a surrogate gestated grandchild. Her son was a transwoman and died of unknown or undisclosed causes aged 16. Sounds tragic and grim.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/aug/26/mother-louise-anderson-legal-fight-save-dead-transgender-daughters-sperm-scotland?CMP=share_btn_tw

Just noticed the article is from August 2020, glad I didn't start a thread.

[CryptoFascistMadameCholet]

@BordoisAgain

That's from last August, and if that is her point then she should have actually said that in her tweet today.

If you look at the tweet I linked from last August you can see that Maya was reference tweets she’d Maude two years earlier so clearly this is something she has paid a lot of time and attention to over a long period (pun unintended).

Sloppy of her to tweet today without linking to her prior commentary because todays tweet is way too easy to misinterpret without the background!

[CryptoFascistMadameCholet]

@IcakethereforeIam

Just noticed the article is from August 2020, glad I didn't start a thread.

I tried to find out the outcome of that case fairly recently and couldn’t find a thing - presume she was denied as that is the usual legal position in this country (my daughter has a whole ovary in the deep freeze and we were told at the time it would be destroyed on her death or when she, after becoming a legal adult, decides she doesn’t want it stored anymore, whichever comes first.

We had a long thread on it at the time and the mother came across as deeply weird - perhaps her desire for a grandchild born posthumously to her son would be somewhat understandable if the son was an only child but IIRC he was one of 6 and one of his older sisters was heavily pregnant with a grandchild at the time of the court case.

[BordoisAgain]

I don't think I agree with your interpretation of her intent madamcholet.

Her tweet had a screenshot where someone commented period products being expensive to buy next to a screenshot of some 55p pads. (The full context being that they were expensive to buy so it would be a problem for some if free products were withdrawn from schools).

I agree that the contracts for supplying these items can be wasteful, but by that token should we be sending kids into school with their own roll of loo paper and soap as they are cheap to buy in the shops?

[CryptoFascistMadameCholet]

it would probably be best if schools could just bulkbuy the sanpro with their loo roll rather than create endless busy work for middle class poverty tourists.

TBF it’s not always much better when it comes to loo roll - my eldest kid used to go to a London primary where they had to ask for the loo roll at the office and then wear it round their neck on a string on the way to the loo and back… funnily enough he wasn’t there long.

[BordoisAgain]

Yeah, it's a shame that basic and essential hygiene product can be politicised.

I remember our school had those awful dispensers that would only allow you to pull out 1 or 2 sheets of the roll at a time. You'd spend ages trying to get enough out to wipe properly and it would tear like confetti so you'd end up wasting more in the long run.

[CryptoFascistMadameCholet]

It was ‘tracing paper’ bog roll at my school - bad enough for wiping with but also completely useless for folding up for use as an emergency stopgap for sanpro 😬

[Tricyrtis2022]

Tracing paper bog roll, I remember that awful stuff. We had to use it when I away at school too, which was really horrible for all us young girls just starting our periods.

[IcakethereforeIam]

There's an article on the Post Millennial claiming that children given gender affirm care are in worse mental health followingthetreatment. I'm paraphrasing, possibly inaccurately, it's late and I came here via Dee Snider. Anyway I clicked through to the study

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34247956/

[IcakethereforeIam]

Just noticed the MN coronation logo the ears!

[MavisMcMinty]

Ha ha! I’d noticed the crown but weirdly missed (or didn’t understand) the ears.

[SinnerBoy]

Generations of -selective inbreeding- carefully arranged marriages have resulted in ears perfectly arranged to stop the crown slipping down over his eyes.

[IcakethereforeIam]

There's a thread about it, I might be out of step. Still think it's funny though.

[mach2]

A woman I know who is a foster carer for teens from extremely difficult backgrounds told me she’s encountered sisters who had resorted to using towelling sports socks as reusable sanitary towels.

I've heard that the country is going backwards - the above takes it back to my mother's youth. She said they had to wash and re-use cloths. Nappies too, for new mothers.

[CryptoFascistMadameCholet]

@mach2

A woman I know who is a foster carer for teens from extremely difficult backgrounds told me she’s encountered sisters who had resorted to using towelling sports socks as reusable sanitary towels.

I've heard that the country is going backwards - the above takes it back to my mother's youth. She said they had to wash and re-use cloths. Nappies too, for new mothers.

My Nan had a ‘bucket of rags’ that was shared by 7 sisters!

Better for the environment, I guess, but then Nan and her sisters only went to school until they were 10 so period management wasn’t hampered by all the school rules about when you can go to the toilet.

[angelico53]

I'm sure most here have it, but I thought I'd mention that Mathleen Stock's Material Girls is 99p on Kindle today:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Material-Girls-Reality-Matters-Feminism-ebook/dp/B08LK8TY5S/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&amp%3Bqid=1683535937&amp%3Bsr=8-1&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-21

[Boiledbeetle]

@angelico53

I'm sure most here have it, but I thought I'd mention that Mathleen Stock's Material Girls is 99p on Kindle today:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Material-Girls-Reality-Matters-Feminism-ebook/dp/B08LK8TY5S/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&amp%3Bqid=1683535937&amp%3Bsr=8-1&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-21

I didn't have it. I do now! Thanks for highlighting it!

[Winterborne74]

Good response to gotcha questions by NZ Speak Up For Women

https://www.speakupforwomen.nz/post/responses-to-media-questions

[Tricyrtis2022]

That sums up my views very well.

[duc748]

I thought the same. Good piece.

[Tricyrtis2022]

Just taken the plunge and have posted that link on my FB page, saying I agree with what's been said. It'll be interesting to see if anyone responds.

[StephanieSuperpowers]

Just read the link and that reflects my position entirely.

[Waitwhat23]

Thought I'd share this wonderful (but heart rending) poem by Magi Gibson - twitter.com/MagiGibson/status/1655578372527800321?s=20