Caba Baba Rave - take your baby to watch nearly naked men in fetish gear

[Clymene]

Journalist Dominique Samuels has posted video of one of their events: https://twitter.com/dominiquetaegon/status/1630948003962912768?s=61&t=gd6tu0Iz6JpyKXGLWMLGjg

Which features men gyrating and hanging from the ceiling surrounded by a crowd of clueless women and their babies.

I would say it's NSFW but it's apparently safe for babies so have a watch.

Here's a reddux article:

https://reduxx.info/uk-sold-out-rave-for-babies-featuring-drag-queens-prompts-outrage/

Since the video went viral, the company has taken down its website and Facebook and made their Instagram private. I wonder why?

Did the parents do lines of teething powder? Or pop some m&ms?

The cool parents are beginning to look a bit sad & desperate actually.

Oh fucking hell, that makes my skin crawl.

Did anyone watch dancing on ice last night? (dont judge me )

Ive actually enjoyed watching the Vivienne performing, especially after seeing him perform as himself. But I was really disappointed with his comments last night on the live show. My opinion has completely changed of him now. If he has actually seen the photos and videos which he is 'sticking up for' then he should not be on a family show at 6.30pm on a Sunday night.

The Vivienne thanked the audience for their support, saying:
Especially at a time when drag is fully under attack, to show that drag is nothing but entertainment. We're nothing to be feared. We just want to have fun

Too late zero 😀

I don’t watch it but ive seen The Vivienne on RuPauls drag race, that is a bit of a shame

Well that's my morning soured.

Absolutely disgusting. I couldn't watch more than a few seconds.

Look for similar rhetoric about Hazel Ascot Dean ('British Shirley Temple').

In 1970, the Hazel Ascot Appreciation Society was created by Tony Willis, who tracked Ascot down via her brother.[2] The society supported events for budding child performers. Though originally a genuine appreciation society, by the late 1990s it had become a front for a network of paedophiles.[6][7] In 2002, a series of arrests were made of members of the society.[8] According to the police, paedophiles "used the fan club as a cover to communicate with each other via the internet." The police emphasised that Ascot was not aware of or associated in any way with the activities of the gang, but "though she has nothing to do with these deviants, she has become an icon for paedophiles."[8]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazel_Ascot

One 'fan' even called his house Hazelcot (due discretion reading this link).

For example, should we prosecute old men whose crimes were committed over 30 years ago? This programme takes viewers right into the heart of the debate. Wilfred Thelman owns a cottage called 'Hazelcot'. One of the rooms is virtually a shrine to Hazel Ascot. Before his arrest he was asked if he was still interested in 'young girls'. He replied: 'I am too old for anything like that now. I am 80 years old.'

A year later he was sentenced at the Central Criminal Court in London after pleading guilty to charges including indecent assault on several victims. The BBC presents the evidence graphically yet unemotionally. In seized footage filmed by one of Thelman's fellow Hazel Ascot fans, we see this pathetic old man prepar ing a 10-year-old girl for a session of buggery. He is given a suspended sentence and goes on the sex offenders' register.

www.theguardian.com/society/2002/may/26/childrensservices.childprotection

😂😂😂😂

You have to try it!! Jacobs cream crackers in tea is epic.

Or Rich Tea biscuits in coffee......

Come to the dark side!

Me too. When I read it I thought this can't be real. And now that I know it I wonder how I could have been so naive about it. Same thing happened to me when I realised what the Furries are at, there was a picture on here one day and then I could see what I'd not seen before.

Honestly though the women at the baby rave, how could none of them think that was not ok.

I don't think the mothers (and I did spot a few fathers too) really knew what the event would be like, but I don't know why you wouldn't just make up an excuse and leave. There'd not be a need to say why you need to go? Especially when people got their phones out to film, did they not think, am I sure I want me and my baby's faces on the internet, right in front of a man in a BDSM outfit? To me, they put their babies on the altar of the queer religion right then and there.

Similar on Jeremy Vine, it seems once these performers identify as LGBTQ then any criticism must be bigotry.

Funny you don't see Baby Burlesque shows, women seem to remember that it's not ok to strip in front of small children.

An actual baby appropriate sensory 'rave' would be quite cute. Dancing babies on the screen, bubble machines, UV light sticks. Some kind of nursery rhyme drum and bass mash up! That would require a bit of effort though obviously and a bit of thought.

Thing is, @Musomama1, if you did that, I'd be prepared to contribute to a kickstarter or crowdfund because those ideas, with some edible bubbles, looks like it is designed for babies. As for the parents, what wouldn't be to endure enjoy?

An actual baby appropriate sensory 'rave' would be quite cute. Dancing babies on the screen, bubble machines, UV light sticks. Some kind of nursery rhyme drum and bass mash up! That would require a bit of effort though obviously and a bit of thought.

My youngest child's slightly bonkers nursery used to do this on the last Friday of every month. They'd spend the morning making popcorn or other party food, and they'd choose a different genre of music each week, and decorate the biggest room. Parents would turn up at 3pm pickup to find a bunch of sweaty, somewhat hyper small kids bopping their little hearts out in a darkened room with disco lights and a soundtrack of thrash metal or 80s disco.

There'd definitely be commercial potential in that if you provided parents with fizz and posh crisps and somewhere comfy to sit.

@LarissaFeodorovna 😍that's adorable.

time.com/12851/before-the-good-ship-lollipop-shirley-temple-did-baby-burlesks/

@ArabellaScott blimey, if you can think it, guaranteed someone will have done it.

Unfortunately, yes.

I think part of the problem is that decisions are being made on a 'best case' scenario - as if predators and those with unsavoury interests just don't exist.

Awww yes they do something similar at my nursery too. Thrash metal eh?!

I'm sure they do kids discos at festivals these days.

Call me old fashioned but the days of babies and toddlers are short, why not embrace the innocent kiddie stuff, it's cute and fun and soon enough they'll be too big or too cool for it.

hi all, I have something concrete that can be done about this if there is someone here with the passion and the time to see it through. All you need to do is apply for a premises licence review for the Vaults. There are four licensing objectives for a premises licence and one of them is protecting children from harm. I would argue that programming Caba Baba falls faul of this and I think Southwark council will agree. The objective is there to stop people bringing children to the pub at midnight and this is so much worse.
Here is the link: Apply for premises licence review

If someone applies and then tweets The Vaults (@ thevaultslondon, as they are the licence holder, not the festival itself), I will bet you anything that show and in fact the whole festival will be out of there so quick their feet won’t touch the ground. If they lose their licence they will be out of business.

I know about this because my husband is a licence holder and told me about the requirements - don’t have the time to go through the process myself but really hope one of you does!!

'A review of a current licence may be made by 'interested parties', which include local residents or businesses who may be affected by the activities of the premises.

The review must be based upon a matter arising at or in the vicinity of the licensed premises and be connected to one of the licensing objectives (PDF, 1.9mb):

the prevention of crime and disorder

public safety

the prevention of public nuisance

the protection of children from harm'

from googling "licensed premesis consume alcohol in the presence of children"
this link
liverpoolscp.proceduresonline.com/chapters/p_prot_ch_harm.html#:~:text=The%20Licensing%20Authority%20is%20concerned,may%20be%20on%20the%20premises.

This part:

1. Conditions Restricting Access by Children

Subject always to the provisions of Liverpool Licensing Policy the Licensing Authority will judge the merits of each separate application before deciding whether or not to impose conditions restricting access by children. The Licensing Authority will refer any application involving children, to the Liverpool Safeguarding Children's Partnership (LSCP) for comment.
Particular scrutiny will occur where, in relation to particular premises or a particular event:

Entertainment or services of an adult or sexual nature are commonly provided. It is not possible to give an exhaustive list of what amounts to entertainment or services of an adult or sexual nature. Common sense will be applied. However, such entertainment or services, for example, would generally include topless bar staff, striptease, lap, table or pole-dancing, performances involving feigned violence or horrific incidents, feigned or actual sexual acts or fetishism, or entertainment involving strong and offensive language;

from this link
www.adur-worthing.gov.uk/media/Media,98512,smxx.pdf

Does the fourth licensing objective, 'the protection of children from harm' refer
only to physical harm?
'Harm', for the purpose of the Act, refers to not only physical harm but also to
psychological and moral harm, it can be interpreted in the widest possible sense by
the licensing authority in response to representations from responsible authorities,
such as the police, social services, or local Area Child Protection Committees and
interested parties. If there is genuine reason to believe that allowing children to enter
certain premises could result in harm of any kind, necessary conditions will be
imposed on the licence or certificate that the licensee or club will have to abide by.

The concern will qualify, someone just needs to fill in the form on the Southwark council website (from my link) and have the time to be available to talk to the council if required, and once that is done, tell the Vaults publicly (on Twitter) that they have applied for a licence review. I am certain they will pull the show immediately on that basis and probably fire the person who programmed it and then doubled down

I believe that Mumsnetters have already done this with two of the other venues that Cabababarave have used (The Birds in Leytonstone & Patchworks in Leyton (both Waltham Forest Council)

As far as I am aware this has not been done for The Vaults (Lambeth Council), Fox and Firkin (Lewisham Council) or Big Penny Social (Walthamstow Council)

I haven’t found anything to confirm whether the planned Manchester event took place or not but The Vaults & Fox and Firkin have deffo hosted past Cabababarave events and had more scheduled (until Cabababarave self cancelled). Both of these venues have issued supportive statements.

Big Penny Social have hosted several past Cabababarave events but I don’t know if they had any more scheduled nor if they’ve said anything since the viral video (filmed at Patchworks, Leyton).

Eurgh, there's some absolutely nauseating stuff on here today. How on Earth did they think it was acceptable to let the 80 year old paedophile off like that? I sincerely hope that, 20 years on, they wouldn't be allowed to get away with it. How many lives has that one shit blighted? And not a single day in jail.

Here’s my proposed confirmation of Cabababarave at Big Penny Social via image matching - looks to be one of their events aimed at preschool children?

’Aunt Lucinda’ seems to have a few more clothes on in this venue but the costumes still aren’t exactly child-friendly!

Why the fuck couldn’t he/they just wear an all-in-one catsuit (rather than a high cut leotard and thigh highs?) and some non-stripper shoes?

And the lingerie outfit isn’t exactly comparable to one of Mr Tumble’s dragged up characters, is it?