Page 4 | Trans Widows are the only mothers of our children.

TinselAngel · 2023-02-27T17:06:07+00:00

I don't want this claim by @bathhy to get lost in a thread that will no doubt go along the usual lines. "As a trans woman mother who uses Mumsnet, I would never recommend coming here." Trans women can never be the mother of any child. We women, the trans widows who are usually your exes, who give birth to those children are their mother and always will be. If you adopt a child, you can be the child's parent, but as a male you are not the child's mother. Trans widows say no to having our status and legal responsibility as mother taken from us. Women here must not allow forced teaming from men who wish to appropriate our status as the mothers of our children. Every woman here should consider how they would feel if the father of their child after having taken so much from them already, then demanded to be called "Mum."

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TinselAngel · 27/02/2023 18:56

https://twitter.com/madeleinekearns/status/1505892843247841288?s=46&t=WE0GkIXKGF9s_d939kLwlA

https://twitter.com/justme36243748/status/1505939499561500672?s=46&t=WE0GkIXKGF9s_d939kLwlA

https://twitter.com/rjcorry/status/1259887055955537921?s=46&t=WE0GkIXKGF9s_d939kLwlA

https://twitter.com/transwidows/status/1463958599869382662?s=46&t=WE0GkIXKGF9s_d939kLwlA

https://news.yahoo.com/stonewall-pushing-transgender-parents-mothers-153835664.html?soc src=social-sh&socctrk=tw&tsrc=twtr&guccounter=1&guce referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly90LmNvLw&guceereferrer sig=AQAAAAtUsS-Nxxr0V2kwBHG-DT3aAosfF4hvo4i-aF33L3qFQ2iHBLg3JLVzL5zABTp3EHMEhg4onBRAQeoHkmTsoMkYssyybGTYJOQ354gJIRidO5PgLWmtbWc2bXzjndISYoTTP6aR-HmjRawXxSSJZ6JEUVbdAcXQCByDg263Kr2

https://twitter.com/miss teabaggins/status/1526296409447743489?s=46&t=WE0GkIXKGF9ss_d939kLwlA

www.womenarehuman.com/transgender-identifying-activist-fights-to-redefine-mother-to-include-men/

A few links for the "this never happens" brigade

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TeenDivided · 27/02/2023 18:56

@Bathhy I'm genuinely interested, as I'm an adopter too. Did you adopt as a transwoman, or as part of a gay couple?

If you adopted as a transwoman that is showing how accepting in day to day life society is of TW.

(But it still doesn't give male people the right to barge into women's single sex spaces. Far less of an issue when it was 'just' old fashioned transsexuals, but now anyone including rapists can self id ...)

Bathhy · 27/02/2023 19:02

TeenDivided · 27/02/2023 18:56

@Bathhy I'm genuinely interested, as I'm an adopter too. Did you adopt as a transwoman, or as part of a gay couple?

If you adopted as a transwoman that is showing how accepting in day to day life society is of TW.

(But it still doesn't give male people the right to barge into women's single sex spaces. Far less of an issue when it was 'just' old fashioned transsexuals, but now anyone including rapists can self id ...)

We adopted as a straight couple I have a gender recognition certificate, my birth certificate is updated to female and I'm under no obligation to identify myself as trans.

SpudleyLass · 27/02/2023 19:03

MadamAndTheAnts · 27/02/2023 18:25

If a kid can have two lesbian mums (with one being the birth mother), a transwoman can also be a mum, although not a birth mother.

If you don’t believe a transwoman can have any title traditionally associated with women, then this thread is the typical yawn fest you get here

Only transwomen are men and have not gone through 9 months of pregnancy and then child birth, both of which can be incredibly dangerous for both mother and child.

Lesbians are not men and as either one of them could have birthed the baby, I wouldn't presume to know, so calling them both mothers is just fine.

Boiledbeetle · 27/02/2023 19:05

MadamAndTheAnts · 27/02/2023 18:28

boring

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The truth isn't always covered in a layer of happy happy joy joy. Sometimes it's just the very boring truth.

Deal with it.

And titles traditionally associated with women are still associated with women.

Men have their own words. They can use them. In this case it's Father!

ProstheticConscience · 27/02/2023 19:05

I know someone whose partner has just given birth, he decided to start transitioning during her third trimester and his friends are all calling him Mum. It’s on his social media bios/profile. Mum.
He’s NOT the baby’s mother.

whatyoulookingfor · 27/02/2023 19:06

MadamAndTheAnts · 27/02/2023 18:47

Don’t you think it would be more useful though to try to engage with people with different views, rather than all just saying the same thought to each other.

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Absolutely not. I have no interest in being lectured in pseudo science by an impressionist.

IcakethereforeIam · 27/02/2023 19:10

@MadamAndTheAnts why not take your own advice? I've got mum stuff to do but, if you're willing, I'm sure people have questions.

Boiledbeetle · 27/02/2023 19:12

MadamAndTheAnts · 27/02/2023 18:36

God this part of MN is a real tedious echo chamber. Every day someone finds some minor example of a transwoman using some bit of language traditionally used by non-trans women. Then everyone says how bad it is.

No discussion or debate. Just a Circle J**k.

We are in the main women here. Circle jerk is a very male activity given that it traditionally involves cocks many cocks.

Maybe you are confused as to the differences between women and men to such a degree you believe women actually do have penises.

Boiledbeetle · 27/02/2023 19:15

MadamAndTheAnts · 27/02/2023 18:47

Don’t you think it would be more useful though to try to engage with people with different views, rather than all just saying the same thought to each other.

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"Boring".

Yeah you've mastered the art of engaging well.

OttersMayHaveShiftedInTransit · 27/02/2023 19:19

Bathhy · 27/02/2023 19:02

We adopted as a straight couple I have a gender recognition certificate, my birth certificate is updated to female and I'm under no obligation to identify myself as trans.

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Sorry you (and I don't mean you personally I mean 'one') can adopt without any checks being carried out under your former name? I can't believe that with all the hopes that have to be jumped through in order to adopt that there is such a glaring loophole that would enable people to identify away from any potential problems in their background.

Rainbowshit · 27/02/2023 19:20

I had the child of a friend who is a transwidow in my house crying that they didn't have a dad anymore. It's so fucking selfish of transwomen to try and make their children call them mother and deprive them of a father.

No. You are not mothers. That word does not belong to you.

TheMatriarchy · 27/02/2023 19:20

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Vintagevixen · 27/02/2023 19:23

@MadamAndTheAnts it is boring - boring to keep telling you to get back to Twitter and annoy your TRA/MRA mates instead of us. LOJ and Mr Bragg await you! Byeee!

Eyerollcentral · 27/02/2023 19:25

MadamAndTheAnts · 27/02/2023 18:30

Why would you call someone Dad presenting as a woman?

And how many “trans widows” are subject to this in Scotland? Like, 3?

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What does presenting as a woman mean? Wearing a dress? So what if it’s only 3 women (which it isn’t). Men cannot be mothers. Trans women are men.

Happylittlechicken · 27/02/2023 19:29

Starseeed · 27/02/2023 18:33

As an actual widow (the wife of a man who died) I’m mystified at your use of the word widow while complaining about someone else misappropriating the use of the word mother.

Agree with your sentiment otherwise.

And as another actual widoww, I totally support trans widows and understand why they term themselves so

Eyerollcentral · 27/02/2023 19:30

MadamAndTheAnts · 27/02/2023 18:36

God this part of MN is a real tedious echo chamber. Every day someone finds some minor example of a transwoman using some bit of language traditionally used by non-trans women. Then everyone says how bad it is.

No discussion or debate. Just a Circle J**k.

‘Traditionally used by non-trans parents’. Mother is a female parent. That’s the very definition. It’s not tradition, it’s reality. Of course you know there is a deeper cultural meaning of mother as the bringer of life, the nurturer. Its deeply disturbing that you seek to reject all that to appease the delusional desires of men. Shocking in fact. And depressing.

BlessedKali · 27/02/2023 19:30

Delusional people gonna be delusional. Neither the world or the truth, will change, despite their delusions.

AngelinaFibres · 27/02/2023 19:30

Like many of us on here I had horrendous pregnancies and births. My exhusband spent a few moments contributing to the creation of our children. He was at the births but he didn't push them out of the vagina he doesn't have. Honestly it gives me the rage that transwomen who come up with this stuff are so deluded. You are a man, you will always be a man. Mother is a special title of which I am very proud. It nearly killed me to achieve it. If a man has children he is their father for all eternity regardless of the costume he wears

HipTightOnions · 27/02/2023 19:31

Why would you call someone Dad presenting as a woman?

How you present has precisely bugger all to do with motherhood.

Thelnebriati · 27/02/2023 19:31

If trans widows aren't widows, what is a dead name?

AngelinaFibres · 27/02/2023 19:34

HipTightOnions · 27/02/2023 19:31

Why would you call someone Dad presenting as a woman?

How you present has precisely bugger all to do with motherhood.

My dad wore dresses at home for much of our lives. He was still my dad.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 27/02/2023 19:44

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100% agreed.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 27/02/2023 19:47

ProstheticConscience · 27/02/2023 19:05

I know someone whose partner has just given birth, he decided to start transitioning during her third trimester and his friends are all calling him Mum. It’s on his social media bios/profile. Mum.
He’s NOT the baby’s mother.

Despicable. Couldn't cope with the focus being on his partner, I aaume. Selfish git.

Loveacuppa · 27/02/2023 19:48

OttersMayHaveShiftedInTransit · 27/02/2023 19:19

Sorry you (and I don't mean you personally I mean 'one') can adopt without any checks being carried out under your former name? I can't believe that with all the hopes that have to be jumped through in order to adopt that there is such a glaring loophole that would enable people to identify away from any potential problems in their background.

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Exactly this.
How is it safeguarding without fully comprehensive checks, which means full disclosure?