Trans Widows are the only mothers of our children.

[TinselAngel]

I don't want this claim by @bathhy to get lost in a thread that will no doubt go along the usual lines.

"As a trans woman mother who uses Mumsnet, I would never recommend coming here."

Trans women can never be the mother of any child. We women, the trans widows who are usually your exes, who give birth to those children are their mother and always will be.

If you adopt a child, you can be the child's parent, but as a male you are not the child's mother.

Trans widows say no to having our status and legal responsibility as mother taken from us.

Women here must not allow forced teaming from men who wish to appropriate our status as the mothers of our children.

Every woman here should consider how they would feel if the father of their child after having taken so much from them already, then demanded to be called "Mum."

Definitely 👏

''I think it might be healthy to document here the experiences of someone from the other side, and for you to pay it some mind.''

So as a old terms transexual I assume, how do you feel about transvestites in women's toilets and Prisons? Don't you find it offensive to women how far this is going? As a regular tw rather than a tra.

Cool. Let’s have 35 million threads - one for each and every one of them

You think there's only 3 trans widows in Scotland?

Not me, "Madam".

Sweetie, you've got a back button and a 'hide board' button just like everyone else.

Sorry slip of the finger.

So I still don't see why trans widows are being brought up in this.

Because their partners sometimes try to claim that their children have two "mothers", when they are the father.

There’s probably about 2 that have former partners who are trans women who have asked their kids to call them mum. But everyone still has their knickers in a twist about it

Feel free to fuck off then.

No one is forcing you to stay.

There’s probably about 2 that have former partners who are trans women who have asked their kids to call them mum. But everyone still has their knickers in a twist about it

Oh FFS the husband and father is gaslighting his wife and children without a care to anyone else's feelings other than his own and expects them all to agree to a new reality. And you care not a jot for anyone except the poor man?

It's happening much more frequently than you care to imagine but no surprises you are trying to diminish the harm this causes to the families of these men.

There is no such thing as a trans woman, like there's no such thing as a trans Chinese person or a trans child.

Biology.

Ah I see we’ve arrived at n+1 very quickly on this thread where the amount of women it’s acceptable to hurt is always +1 the number stated on a thread

'Circle J**k'
'knickers in a twist'

Well I'mnot surprised to be honest.

It needs saying

Don’t you think it would be more useful though to try to engage with people with different views, rather than all just saying the same thought to each other.

More frequently? I could perhaps imagine more - like 3

#nodebate.

Sorry, thems the rules take it up with stonewall if you disagree

thank you for telling me

Every day someone finds some minor example of a transwoman using some bit of language traditionally used by non-trans women

The fact that you refer to women as 'non-trans women' speaks volumes.
Pure misogyny.
Women don't need a prefix, especially not to distinguish them from a subset of males.

this kind of “no hurt at all” absolutism is just activist bilge to avoid any practical accommodation with the real world

More frequently? I could perhaps imagine more - like 3

N+1 as Theballinthesky

If just one child is abused by their father in this way, just one woman is told that she is now a lesbian and to reframe her whole past that's one too many.

But no, never enough, we must pity the man.

While your patience is admirable I’m also amazed that you are trying to have this conversation on this forum when there is so much anxiety on the other side. It is so very unlikely that this approach will lead to better mutual understanding or compassion. It seems to rather have the opposite effect - is this what you are aiming for?

Non-trans women? That would be women, you know, adult human females.