Trans Widows are the only mothers of our children.

[TinselAngel]

I don't want this claim by @bathhy to get lost in a thread that will no doubt go along the usual lines.

"As a trans woman mother who uses Mumsnet, I would never recommend coming here."

Trans women can never be the mother of any child. We women, the trans widows who are usually your exes, who give birth to those children are their mother and always will be.

If you adopt a child, you can be the child's parent, but as a male you are not the child's mother.

Trans widows say no to having our status and legal responsibility as mother taken from us.

Women here must not allow forced teaming from men who wish to appropriate our status as the mothers of our children.

Every woman here should consider how they would feel if the father of their child after having taken so much from them already, then demanded to be called "Mum."

Why do you need special spoon feeding? Why are you incapable of reading the 300 posts all by yourself?

But the reason I don't understand is because a lot of the participants in the thread were implying or outright saying that I was abusing my adopted child because I have a ex-girlfriend which doesn't exist and she is a "trans widow"

You came back on the thread saying 'is this thread still going' in a deliberate attempt to antagonise. Then you started saying 'well why don't you explain it to me' to Tinsel. Again being antagonising.

You aren't posting in good faith. You don't want to read what others have to say because you don't like it. So you are being antagonistic.

You've got noticed for it.

feel free to explain

No. Read the thread. If I wanted to do that kind of labour I'd still be married.

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The demand to change the meanings of words like “mother” and “father”, to reducethem to individual expressions of identity rather than descriptions of relationships, is a fundamental inversion of what it is to be human. Giving birth does not just create a baby; it changes the status of the woman to “mother” and the man to “father”. These biological facts are impervious to faddish cultural beliefs.

Quite.

Using children to validate grown-up identities is grotesque

Yep.

I thought this was a good quote from my friend Emma from Children of Transitioners in Jo's article

"She says she is “relieved to see this ruling” but expects there will be further legal “attempts to chip away at the rights of children of trans people to have accurate paperwork. We have lives of our own, and in time children of our own, and our personal history shouldn’t be sacrificed to validate our parents’ gender identities,”

This is an article on her website which I think a lot of children on transitioners will relate to:

childrenoftransitioners.org/2021/05/10/stop-using-us-as-props/

It really is the height of exceptional entitlement to demand that your children's record of their own birth should be repurposed for your personal identification.

I'm pleased that it's been established that it isn't a human right.

I'm glad they ruled the way they did. A birth certificate belongs to the child not the parents. The child should have the truth recorded fuck what their parents want it's not the parents document.

This post is so boringly predictable. Of course you don't get the point of the thread 🙄

There's a statue now.

twitter.com/singlikeadiva/status/1649334580955197440?s=46&t=PSGltfjrMyZmBtYq2-AVIQ

It says its completion was the prelude to the museum (formerly the women’s museum) marking international men’s day.

Fuck! I saw the photo earlier and thought it must be a piss take. Having just clicked on your link I'm flabbergasted.

I don't know what to say.

'Agape' because that's what people's mouths do when the see it?

Or a play on AGP?

The point is you appear to be a man. So you can never be a mother. The thread is objecting to transwomen saying they are a child's mother. Mothers are women, not men who 'think' they are women.
And 'non-trans-woman' suggests that men in frocks are the default of women and that women are a subset of their own sex. Women are women. Transwomen are men and thus can never be mothers

That statue is disgusting. What the fuck. Just no.

I don't hate the statue. it's modern art, it's meant to be a bit annoying

the problem is if anyone thinks it's any kind of accurate representation

It's not a very good statue, either.

It's worse than that. Agape is the Christian love feast or communal meal. It's barbarous to call the statue that.

twitter.com/thelabyris/status/1649546522248224769?s=46&t=PSGltfjrMyZmBtYq2-AVIQ

Fuck knows what's going on here.

Pace Philip Larkin, if there's one surefire way to f* a child up for life, it's sticking dad in a dress and informing the kid that he's now second mum.

Terrible, terrible, terrible, height of selfishness that any father would ever think this is OK.

Tinsel that case seems highly disturbing. I have great concerns for the child.

Man says he's going to be a gran

nypost.com/2023/04/25/trans-runner-glenique-frank-ripped-for-beating-14k-women-in-london-marathon/