Page 13 | Trans Widows are the only mothers of our children.

TinselAngel · 2023-02-27T17:06:07+00:00

I don't want this claim by @bathhy to get lost in a thread that will no doubt go along the usual lines. "As a trans woman mother who uses Mumsnet, I would never recommend coming here." Trans women can never be the mother of any child. We women, the trans widows who are usually your exes, who give birth to those children are their mother and always will be. If you adopt a child, you can be the child's parent, but as a male you are not the child's mother. Trans widows say no to having our status and legal responsibility as mother taken from us. Women here must not allow forced teaming from men who wish to appropriate our status as the mothers of our children. Every woman here should consider how they would feel if the father of their child after having taken so much from them already, then demanded to be called "Mum."

EndlessTea · 28/02/2023 17:15

Eyerollcentral · 28/02/2023 17:10

This so sick. What is wrong with the actual mother that she passed over the new born baby that has just emerged from her own body to hand it to a deluded man that wants to fulfil his own fantasies by latching on a bay. The poor poor baby knows that he isn’t her mother but f the baby eh, as long as the man gets to live his sick dreams that’s all that counts. Disgusting.

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Yes. It’s abusive and too unbearable to contemplate. If that’s how the poor child starts it’s life what hope is there. The state should intervene.

lifeturnsonadime · 28/02/2023 17:27

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TinselAngel · 28/02/2023 17:36

What is wrong with the actual mother

Coercive control I would imagine.

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Eyerollcentral · 28/02/2023 17:38

TinselAngel · 28/02/2023 17:36

What is wrong with the actual mother

Coercive control I would imagine.

Yes seems likely. Poor child.

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TinselAngel · 28/02/2023 18:07

I mean imagine being asked why you won't let your husband try it, in the same way that we've been browbeaten, belittled, and then laughed at on this thread. It'd wear you down.

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TinselAngel · 28/02/2023 18:07

Breast feeding that is ⬆️

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lifeturnsonadime · 28/02/2023 18:12

TinselAngel · 28/02/2023 18:07

Breast feeding that is ⬆️

Oh Tinsel
I really can't imagine how awful that is.

These men are abusive and controlling. In fathering a child they do the act that only men can do and then go on to behave in such an abhorrent way to their partner and child.

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TinselAngel · 28/02/2023 18:15

It didn't happen to me, but I can imagine how a woman might end up in that position.

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nepeta · 28/02/2023 18:15

What was that great rant recently published called? About women wanting our stuff back, our words back, our sports back, our single-sex spaces back etc?

This is what is happening here. There is a gender-neutral word that can be used by those who wish to do so, 'parent', and it's also a handy verb 'to parent'. 'Mother' is taken and has been taken for centuries.

Vintagevixen · 28/02/2023 18:19

These deluded fools who imply trans woman can be mothers need to look up fetal-maternal microchimerism.

In a nutshell - our children leave a part of them in us when we are pregnant, and carry part of us in themselves after birth - on a cellular level.

Very beautiful and something that exists only in mothers. Who are female. End of.

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TinselAngel · 28/02/2023 19:40

This thread had been very instructive. I'm pleased that I started it.

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IcakethereforeIam · 28/02/2023 19:58

@Vintagevixen perhaps a more knowledgeable poster could help, but I'm sure I've read tras citing that as a intersex condition. I'm using intersex rather than dsd because I feel they're, as usual, talking nonsense.

lifeturnsonadime · 28/02/2023 20:34

TinselAngel · 28/02/2023 19:40

This thread had been very instructive. I'm pleased that I started it.

I'm pleased you did to.

Women and children deserve better than this.

A man (no matter how he identifies) can never be a mother.

Vintagevixen · 28/02/2023 20:42

Well it just shows how dumb TRA's are - it's nothing to do with DSD. It just means mother and child always have an imprint of each other. Shows how utterly important mothers are.

These people will twist anything.

Faffertea · 28/02/2023 22:11

Can anyone else remember the parody of the Green Eggs and Ham a woman wrote/performed at (?) a KJK event?
I can’t find it to link to but Madam’s posts remind me of it very much. The multiple, convoluted attempts to try and get women to say men can be mothers.

No, thank you.

Faffertea · 28/02/2023 22:16

And to go back to the question about medical history and adoption assessments. Patients can change the (incorrectly named) gender marker on their medical records and as part of this process will be given a completely new NHS medical record, with no link to the previous.
So, as a GP, if I look at that person’s notes to complete the paperwork for a foster or adoption medical information I have no way to know, unless I knew them pre-transition, that this person has a previous medical record I know nothing about and have no access to.

Apologies for the derail @TinselAngel i hope you don’t mind and will start a new thread if ppl want to discuss this further.

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TinselAngel · 28/02/2023 22:21

Faffertea · 28/02/2023 22:16

And to go back to the question about medical history and adoption assessments. Patients can change the (incorrectly named) gender marker on their medical records and as part of this process will be given a completely new NHS medical record, with no link to the previous.
So, as a GP, if I look at that person’s notes to complete the paperwork for a foster or adoption medical information I have no way to know, unless I knew them pre-transition, that this person has a previous medical record I know nothing about and have no access to.

Apologies for the derail @TinselAngel i hope you don’t mind and will start a new thread if ppl want to discuss this further.

I think it would be worth starting another thread because it's an interesting independent point.

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Eyerollcentral · 28/02/2023 22:22

Faffertea · 28/02/2023 22:16

And to go back to the question about medical history and adoption assessments. Patients can change the (incorrectly named) gender marker on their medical records and as part of this process will be given a completely new NHS medical record, with no link to the previous.
So, as a GP, if I look at that person’s notes to complete the paperwork for a foster or adoption medical information I have no way to know, unless I knew them pre-transition, that this person has a previous medical record I know nothing about and have no access to.

Apologies for the derail @TinselAngel i hope you don’t mind and will start a new thread if ppl want to discuss this further.

I am staggered by the lack of joined you thinking on this. Even from a health point of view. It’s absolutely insane.

turbonerd · 01/03/2023 07:58

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 28/02/2023 15:49

please change the way you speak, just for me

I don’t want to, no thanks

but what about if I ask like this?

I still don’t want to

how about if I point out this irrelevant thing?

No thanks

but what harm does it do you just to do what I want?

No

well you sound like a 16 year old

No

You’re so selfish

No

Your attitude harms vulnerable people

No

You’re the bad guy here

the dance of the narcissist

there you have it.

I must admit reading this thread gave me flashbacks to a previous, very abusive relationship.

Men are not women. Men are not mothers.
I do not care about your grammar-twisting Madame. All you show is you are VERY good at abusive techniques so slow handclap to you.

Women are mothers. I am the mother of my children.

Datun · 01/03/2023 08:14

HootyMcboob76 · 28/02/2023 16:36

It's far more than a word.
Mother.
This ideology has gotten us to a point where a TM gives birth, hands it over to a TW (who is the biological father), who then attempts to breastfeed live on camera (the whole sorry mess is available for anyone to watch on YouTube), and this is all considered perfectly "normal".
You can take all the hormones you want, have your baby latch onto your male nipple, and make all the cooing noises you want whilst doing so.
You are still not a Mother, you will never be one.
Men cannot conceive a child, grow that infant and birth it.
They can never know what it is to be a Mother.

Is this the guy who said something along the lines that he wasn't ashamed to say that yes, it was arousing?

Datun · 01/03/2023 08:19

TinselAngel · 28/02/2023 15:04

At least you'll all now have more understanding of what trans widows say about boundary pushing.

Yes, it's eye opening. And yes, seeing the wheedling turn into bullying, just as you predicted.

I wonder if they realise they all follow a script?

dimorphism · 01/03/2023 09:22

I'm enjoying watching anyone try and argue with Tinsel. (note to self not to try it).

The thing that enrages me is medical professionals standing by and allowing children to be abused by being used as validation props - and it is abuse as defined in Keeping Children Safe in Education. They should be standing up for these children and by and large they're not. Safeguarding seems to have gone out of the window.

Men trying to simulate an illusion of breastfeeding - it's so obviously child abuse, I can't believe it's even a conversation

When you think that most women are scared to take antibiotics or paracetamol when breastfeeding and lots of women are told to stop breastfeeding because they're taking drugs that are actually totally safe for the baby. God knows what's in the 'milk' that these poor babies are theoretically getting from men. Let's hope it's an urban myth / AGP fantasy with no basis in reality

ArabellaScott · 01/03/2023 10:04

Faffertea · 28/02/2023 22:16

And to go back to the question about medical history and adoption assessments. Patients can change the (incorrectly named) gender marker on their medical records and as part of this process will be given a completely new NHS medical record, with no link to the previous.
So, as a GP, if I look at that person’s notes to complete the paperwork for a foster or adoption medical information I have no way to know, unless I knew them pre-transition, that this person has a previous medical record I know nothing about and have no access to.

Apologies for the derail @TinselAngel i hope you don’t mind and will start a new thread if ppl want to discuss this further.

Front page news on the BBC today is concern about name changing loopholes:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64624921

ResisterRex · 01/03/2023 10:21

10 Minute Rule Motion on name changes today in Parliament:

commonsbusiness.parliament.uk/Document/75590/Html?subType=Standard#_idTextAnchor004

SEXUAL OFFENCES (PROHIBITION OF NAME CHANGE): TEN MINUTE RULE MOTION

Up to 20 minutes (Standing Order No. 233_) Mark Fletcher That leave be given to bring in a Bill to prohibit a person subject to notification requirements under Part 2 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003 from changing their name; and for connected purposes. Notes: The Member moving and a Member opposing this Motion may each speak for up to 10 minutes.

HootyMcboob76 · 01/03/2023 11:16

Datun · 01/03/2023 08:14

Is this the guy who said something along the lines that he wasn't ashamed to say that yes, it was arousing?

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Here it is in all its glory. Although I'm sure this will be deleted after someone complains, wouldn't want people to see what's actually going on in the world right now would we?

Warning - don't click this video if you are of a sensitive nature.
Or believe that men shouldn't be using infants as props in their stunning and brave transition.