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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Experiences of a Trans Person

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invalide · 27/02/2023 16:11

I think it might be healthy to document here the experiences of someone from the other side, and for you to pay it some mind.

I'm an early-twenties STEM student working in renewable energies, and outside of my course I'm a photographer and musician. I've travelled a fair amount and adore my home country of Scotland. Living in Glasgow, I have found a queer community of beautiful people who create a joy to everyday life I treasure.

At the beginning of this month there was a 'Let Women Speak' rally held here that some of you here attended; I have seldom felt more unwelcome and stripped of dignity than while in your crowd, carrying out my photojournalistic duties (images 1&2). While capturing Kellie-Jay Keen pathologising my friends as subhuman perverts and members of the crowd flaunting their homophobia and their use of dogwhistles (subliminal far-right messaging) I was being brazenly looked up and down, receiving steely gazes and pursed lips and hushed whispers behind my back. While photographing the first speaker after Keen, who began her piece portraying autistic people as children devoid of agency, I was approached by one of you who made it clear I looked too queer for their liking and was squaring up for assault. I made my way out at this point (captured at 8:42 here and 9:09 here).
The atmosphere your movement brought to George Square was one I've only before experienced while documenting far-right rallies in Eastern Europe, where I have been hounded through the streets and beaten up for the same reason. I assure you, your ideology would feel very much at home there.

At the other side of the square things couldn't have been more different, you were bathed in colour and music and hugs and laughter, the place is full of friends dancing and dressed resplendent in whatever camp pretty things they felt like (images 2&3).

Ours was a crowd of locals; I strained to hear a Glasgow accent in yours.

Ours is a city that at short notice manages to fill the top of Buchanan Street (image 5) in solidarity with the queer community - the last time I saw it like this was during COP26. It's one that fills George Square in a candlelit vigil for Brianna Ghey.

Your movement has meant I'm called a pervert and a groomer while going about my average daily life. Our morally vacuous, increasingly fascist political class (thinking also of Magnus Hirschfeld and of Martin Niemöller's famous poem) is picking up what you've started and they're running with it. You may not call yourself a homophobe, a white nationalist or an antisemite, but you're sitting awfully comfortably considering that those that do find your movement incredibly attractive.

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myveryownelectrickitten · 28/02/2023 22:52

CremeEggQueen · 28/02/2023 22:43

Did anyone say it was much, much worse?
No, they didn't, did they?
See you knew it didn't "just say mansplaining, honest" as you seem to have remembered a little bit more now.

You didn’t notice the poster upthread just now saying they had also called him a twit?

God, being called a twit or being called a fascist? I wonder which one is more actionable as libel?

Perhaps we could see a rash of these delicate creatures in court, bringing actions against middle-aged women to prove that being called a twit is categorically untrue. “I am definitely not a twit, your honour! My reputation has been slanderously besmirched!”

RedToothBrush · 28/02/2023 22:52

RufustheSpeculatingreindeer · 28/02/2023 22:46

Exactly!

if there is mansplaining and womansplaining there must be nonbinarysplaining

it was probably the twit bit though 🤔

Themsplaining

myveryownelectrickitten · 28/02/2023 22:53

CremeEggQueen · 28/02/2023 22:51

PEOPLE HAVE SAID BOTH IN SEPARATE POSTS, ONE SAID MANSPLAINING THE OTHER NON BINARY PRESUMABLY IN A CLEVER WAY TO SHOW THEY'RE CORRECTiNG THEM?

SO MUCH REALLY NOT GETTING THE JOKE?

myveryownelectrickitten · 28/02/2023 22:54

WomensLandArmy · 28/02/2023 22:45

Don't forget I also said 'twit', a silly or foolish person. But I've apologised now and am very sorry a I perceived the OP in that way.

You meany fascist you!

RufustheSpeculatingreindeer · 28/02/2023 22:54

RedToothBrush · 28/02/2023 22:52

Themsplaining

Themsplaining is shorter definitely

CremeEggQueen · 28/02/2023 22:56

God, being called a twit or being called a fascist?
It's not an either or situation - if it breaks talk guidelines for personal insults, it breaks the guidelines, I didn't think it was that hard to understand?

lifeturnsonadime · 28/02/2023 23:02

This thread has become insane in the hour or two I've been off it.

Posts calling women fascists = acceptable on mumsnet.

Posts using a minor insult to men who identify as non -binary (whatever the fuck that is) = against site rules.

There seems to have been a change in moderation again on mumsnet imo. I had a post deleted on aibu for saying that a particular poster who claimed to be a lesbian could be male. Nothing against site rules that I could identify, just pointing out a logical part of trans ideology.

SinnerBoy · 28/02/2023 23:05

*seXX · Today 20:03

- - in fact in the times you've been out in public it's been a pretty even 50/50 men/women; - -

how can you tell?

Well duh! Half looked like men and half looked like women. The ones who looked like men were the women and the ones who looked like women were men. Obviously!

SinnerBoy · 28/02/2023 23:07

Anyway, I'd like to apologise to invalid, in case any of my posts have given the impression that he's less than honest and not very clever, based on a shallow reading and comprehension of his own words.

myveryownelectrickitten · 28/02/2023 23:10

SinnerBoy · 28/02/2023 23:05

*seXX · Today 20:03

- - in fact in the times you've been out in public it's been a pretty even 50/50 men/women; - -

how can you tell?

Well duh! Half looked like men and half looked like women. The ones who looked like men were the women and the ones who looked like women were men. Obviously!

You see, it was easy to tell, because they weren’t young enough, or wearing enough “camp pretty things” to be nonbinary or trans.

Just regular old and middle aged “fascist” people, you see, and so you can misgender all of those whenever you like, because at a glance you can tell they aren’t “queer” (even if some might be gay or lesbian, because they’re Old People, so all fascist bigots who don’t understand Gender, obvs) 🙄

RealFeminist · 28/02/2023 23:10

IM SORRY ALSO AND I FOR ONE WELCOME OUR NONBINARY FRIENDS

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/02/2023 23:13

We never expected anything less, Nicola.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 28/02/2023 23:14

CremeEggQueen · 28/02/2023 22:51

PEOPLE HAVE SAID BOTH IN SEPARATE POSTS, ONE SAID MANSPLAINING THE OTHER NON BINARY PRESUMABLY IN A CLEVER WAY TO SHOW THEY'RE CORRECTiNG THEM?

I’M REALLY ENJOYING ALL THIS SHOUTSPLAINING!

CremeEggQueen · 28/02/2023 23:17

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 28/02/2023 23:14

I’M REALLY ENJOYING ALL THIS SHOUTSPLAINING!

I was just replying in shout mode in that comment to one particular poster, as they seem to like shouting their posts for some reason, I assume that's how they like to communicate as all their posts are shouting, like you say - it's shouting 😬

SinnerBoy · 28/02/2023 23:17

myveryownelectrickitten · Today 23:10

Oh.

Is that me Being Wrong on The Internet, as usual? Honestly, I just never learn!

😃

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/02/2023 23:21

I was just replying in shout mode in that comment to one particular poster, as they seem to like shouting their posts for some reason, I assume that's how they like to communicate as all their posts are shouting, like you say - it's shouting

It's a joke on this board you're evidently not in on.

CremeEggQueen · 28/02/2023 23:27

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/02/2023 23:21

I was just replying in shout mode in that comment to one particular poster, as they seem to like shouting their posts for some reason, I assume that's how they like to communicate as all their posts are shouting, like you say - it's shouting

It's a joke on this board you're evidently not in on.

I'll live with that.
It's not a clique or echo chamber in here at all though, is it
Reminds me of "you can't sit with us"
I bet you wear pink on Wednesdays as well don't you 😁
They're the ones shouting but I'm shoutsplaining for replying in kind.
Make it make sense 😬

Boiledbeetle · 28/02/2023 23:27

I feel this has all been a mistake. The original TWIT poster was just letting people know the meeting had started.

Admittedly it's a new group, so obviously the moderators are unaware of the meaning

The
Women's
Improvisation
Team.

I fear we may have to come up with a better name!

Janice could you minute that? Thanks?..oh..put Arabella down for it.

Boiledbeetle · 28/02/2023 23:29

Also, excellent shouting this evening Nicola! I'm sorry I missed it in real time!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/02/2023 23:30

It's not a clique or echo chamber in here at all though, is it

I think most online spaces have a specific culture and regular posters. Try your average subreddit.

CremeEggQueen · 28/02/2023 23:33

Nicola?! 😕😂
This board is seriously batshit at times, actual laugh out loud so at times 😬
It's feminist doing the shouting not me, didn't know they were called Nicola, you obviously know them better than me

myveryownelectrickitten · 28/02/2023 23:33

CremeEggQueen · 28/02/2023 23:27

I'll live with that.
It's not a clique or echo chamber in here at all though, is it
Reminds me of "you can't sit with us"
I bet you wear pink on Wednesdays as well don't you 😁
They're the ones shouting but I'm shoutsplaining for replying in kind.
Make it make sense 😬

It’s not a clique. She’s clearly a satire on Nicola Sturgeon, which is obvious by the phrasing. Keep up!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/02/2023 23:35

Cremeegg seems a bit bemused by women saying no to men and the female-centred nature of a feminist board.

CremeEggQueen · 28/02/2023 23:35

She’s clearly a satire on Nicola Sturgeon, which is obvious
If you're in on the in joke like explained upthread.
It's Wednesday tomorrow, do you have your pink clothes ready

WomensLandArmy · 28/02/2023 23:36

Thank you @Boiledbeetle Please remember that all TWIT members must have the unique ability to see the underside of their very own tonsils, as they are so far up their own behinds.
Who's taking the minutes tonight?

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