Page 8 | Kate Forbes reported for 'transphobia'

ArabellaScott · 2023-02-21T16:01:05+00:00

https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/23336504.kate-forbes-may-breached-snp-rules-transphobia/ 'KATE Forbes looks set to be probed by the SNP's conduct committee after members of the party's LGBTQ+ wing accused her of breaking rules on transphobia. In an interview with ITV Border, when asked if she believed a trans woman is a woman, the Finance Secretary replied: "I believe that a trans woman is a biological male who identifies as a woman."'

Beowulfa · 22/02/2023 08:02

It's reasonable to question a senior politician on whether their personal faith might clash with current law. Presumably Yousef will also be subject to the same grilling, including monitoring the content of his prayers?

twitterexile · 22/02/2023 08:15

Grumpybutfunny · 21/02/2023 16:18

Very sloppy reply for a politician she should have either declined to answer or answer it properly. As it's stands her answer is transphobic by the code she signed up to represent. It should have been phrased to acknowledge gender identity even if she wanted to rock the boat and add biology to the end of it.

Something like I do believe a trans woman is a woman as an individual has the right to identify as whichever or non gender they wish, this principle is the corner stone of gender identity. This shouldn't be confused with biological genotype which is usually assigned at birth and can be different to someone gender identity

Nonsense and gibberish. She was clear and factual which is what she needed to be.

twitterexile · 22/02/2023 08:19

ResisterRex · 21/02/2023 22:23

Kemi Badenoch has commented:

www.politico.eu/article/uk-equalities-minister-kemi-badenoch-defends-under-fire-snp-hopeful-kemi-badenoch-faith-conservative-party-free-church-scotland/

"Badenoch told a POLITICO event in London Tuesday night that she would defend the right of Forbes to hold those views, and refused to condemn her comments in her role as equalities minister.
“I think that is sad because I believe in freedom of conscience,” she said of the backlash. “That’s one of the things that makes this country great. It’s one of the reasons why many people want to live here.”
Badenoch — viewed as a rising star in the Conservative Party, which is at odds with the SNP on the key question of Scottish independence — said she admired Forbes “for not being dishonest” about her faith.
“It’d be very easy for her to tell lies, just so that she could win that election,” Badenoch said of Forbes. “And she’s not doing that, and I think that that’s something that people need to take into account.”
Badenoch also condemned SNP politicians who have yanked their support from the under-fire contender. Shelved endorsements of Forbes, she argued, show “the level of un-seriousness of many of the people who engage in political activity and commentary.”
Asked by POLITICO whether she would condemn the views Forbes had put forward, Badenoch directly declined, and said that while she personally supports gay marriage, she “would not want people to condemn me for having personal views.”

Pointing to her role as “guardian” of the U.K.’s Equality Act, which includes religious protections, Badenoch said: “To ask me to criticize someone for their religious beliefs, when I’m supposed to be safeguarding it, shows that those people don’t understand equality. What they want is to use the Equality Act as a sword to fight their own personal battles, rather than as a shield to prevent others from discrimination.”"

Superb. A properly strong female politician with a sharp mind. More of this please.

Sugarfree23 · 22/02/2023 08:41

While I agree with Kemi Badenoch I find it almost bazaar that a Tory MP is speaking out to support another Parties potential leader.

I'm not a huge follower of politics but I can't think of that happening before. 🤔

Igneococcus · 22/02/2023 09:09

Alice Thomson's opinion piece in the Times today:
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/17020a32-b227-11ed-8771-87233f7ef731?shareToken=486b5fe9ae9da44848c579badb076f6b

I think AT is very much TWAW.
Looking through the Times today, I get the feeling the Times very much doesn't want Kate Forbes to win this leadership contest.

Waitwhat23 · 22/02/2023 09:31

Clarabell77 · 22/02/2023 07:39

I can imagine you’re fed up with hearing actual facts that don’t fit with your opinion. That must be quite exhausting.

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I mean, you're being incredibly, cleverly satirical here, right? You must be - no-one can be that obtuse.

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ArabellaScott · 22/02/2023 09:35

Beowulfa · 22/02/2023 08:02

It's reasonable to question a senior politician on whether their personal faith might clash with current law. Presumably Yousef will also be subject to the same grilling, including monitoring the content of his prayers?

Well.

Let's see how this plays out:

wingsoverscotland.com/a-time-of-fear/

'Neil Lal, Chairman and President of The Indian Council, stated:

“We as a community do not feel safe with Humza Yousaf as the First Minister in Scotland. The Indian community – which is a community of all faiths that includes Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Christian, Buddhist, and Judaism – would not feel safe with Humza Yousaf as First Minister.

Our community is law-abiding, hard-working, and proud of our country. Humza Yousaf attacked a nursery publicly and has now walked away without apology. Surely his integrity must be called into question? He has stoked up racial tensions in the Indian Hindu community, and this is not acceptable.”'

Mr Wasif Ahmad, Chairman of The Muslim Council of the UK, stated:

“Humza Yousaf is not the right person for the role. We trust Ash Regan or Kate Forbes as First Minister and urge people to vote for one of them, who would heal the damage and be better for Scotland. Humza Yousaf is not competent. We stand with the Indian community and agree with their concerns.”

We call for Humza Yousaf to be asked the same questions as Kate Forbes:

Are trans women women?

Are children outside marriage allowed?

Is sex before marriage allowed?

Anything less is giving Humza Yousaf more favourable treatment in the SNP leadership contest and treating the women candidates of different beliefs at a disadvantage.”

Neil Lal further stated:

“Scotland is at a major crossroads and if Humza Yousaf becomes the First Minister it will ruin Scotland economically as there will be a flight to safety with businesses, wealth and the intellectual capital moving south of the border and elsewhere. Scotland will suffer a brain drain. This is already happening and now will accelerate.

We have approached Humza many times to sit to discuss and address our concerns in
the past, but neither he nor Nicola Sturgeon have been approachable. Other political leaders of many parties, including Keir Starmer, Anas Sarwar, Alex Salmond, Arlene Foster and Willie Rennie, have all listened to the concerns of the community in working for the betterment of the country, showing the difference in respect and maturity that these politicians have.

We challenge Humza Yousaf that if he believes in democracy and if he believes the First Minister should represent everyone, he should show some humanity, humility, and maturity and apologise for his previous actions.”

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ResisterRex · 22/02/2023 09:42

Clip of Kemi:

twitter.com/darrengrimes_/status/1628320213396606976?s=46&t=TK-MbzZ29VdrjbFxQReBDA

CryInToYourCornflakesNicola · 22/02/2023 09:51

Tessisme · 21/02/2023 20:12

Why do reporters/interviewers keep asking this question if there is only one 'right' answer? Bloody shit stirrers.

We agree, there is only one correct answer. So how do so many get it so wrong?
Do I want a liar as leader of my country? No
Would i appreciate a fantasist as leader of my country, obviously not.
How about a person too cowardly to say the truth lest it get them in trouble with a minority? Who needs some scaredy cat who wont stand up for anyone.
And what if they believe the lie that men can be women, ever, anytime, when it suits them? Nah, no one wants a very stupid person in charge.

Well none of those people look like they could run a country to me.

Sugarfree23 · 22/02/2023 09:51

I hadn't heard of her before today but I'll say I like Kemi.
She's much younger than I thought she would be.

Sorry to derail but is the name Kemi short for something?

BellaAmorosa · 22/02/2023 09:52

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 22/02/2023 07:18

Would you say this about a person of any other religion who holds the same views?

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@ChardonnaysBeastlyCat
l think@Apollo441was joking.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 22/02/2023 09:54

ArabellaScott · 22/02/2023 09:35

Well.

Let's see how this plays out:

wingsoverscotland.com/a-time-of-fear/

'Neil Lal, Chairman and President of The Indian Council, stated:

“We as a community do not feel safe with Humza Yousaf as the First Minister in Scotland. The Indian community – which is a community of all faiths that includes Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Christian, Buddhist, and Judaism – would not feel safe with Humza Yousaf as First Minister.

Our community is law-abiding, hard-working, and proud of our country. Humza Yousaf attacked a nursery publicly and has now walked away without apology. Surely his integrity must be called into question? He has stoked up racial tensions in the Indian Hindu community, and this is not acceptable.”'

Mr Wasif Ahmad, Chairman of The Muslim Council of the UK, stated:

“Humza Yousaf is not the right person for the role. We trust Ash Regan or Kate Forbes as First Minister and urge people to vote for one of them, who would heal the damage and be better for Scotland. Humza Yousaf is not competent. We stand with the Indian community and agree with their concerns.”

We call for Humza Yousaf to be asked the same questions as Kate Forbes:

Are trans women women?

Are children outside marriage allowed?

Is sex before marriage allowed?

Anything less is giving Humza Yousaf more favourable treatment in the SNP leadership contest and treating the women candidates of different beliefs at a disadvantage.”

Neil Lal further stated:

“Scotland is at a major crossroads and if Humza Yousaf becomes the First Minister it will ruin Scotland economically as there will be a flight to safety with businesses, wealth and the intellectual capital moving south of the border and elsewhere. Scotland will suffer a brain drain. This is already happening and now will accelerate.

We have approached Humza many times to sit to discuss and address our concerns in
the past, but neither he nor Nicola Sturgeon have been approachable. Other political leaders of many parties, including Keir Starmer, Anas Sarwar, Alex Salmond, Arlene Foster and Willie Rennie, have all listened to the concerns of the community in working for the betterment of the country, showing the difference in respect and maturity that these politicians have.

We challenge Humza Yousaf that if he believes in democracy and if he believes the First Minister should represent everyone, he should show some humanity, humility, and maturity and apologise for his previous actions.”

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Wow.

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BellaAmorosa · 22/02/2023 10:01

Very impressive from the Muslim Council. And very damning of HY.

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ArabellaScott · 22/02/2023 10:02

It's astonishing. So far, I've not seen the media pick it up for some reason. Odd, that.

BBC Sctoland is wall to wall reports of Kate Forbes' 'crisis'.

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RoyalCorgi · 22/02/2023 10:06

BellaAmorosa · 22/02/2023 10:01

Very impressive from the Muslim Council. And very damning of HY.

According to a comment by Craig Murray on that blogpost, this organisation, the Muslim Council of the UK, are not a well-known or influential organisation (ie don't confuse them with the Muslim Council of Britain). If you google them, almost nothing comes up.

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ArabellaScott · 22/02/2023 10:07

Yes, but the Indian Council seems to be a fairly large and established group.

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hryllilegur · 22/02/2023 10:08

It’s in

hryllilegur · 22/02/2023 10:16

It’s interesting that people who seemed to have no problem with Forbes’ religion a week ago now think it’s awful.

I do think that wee free values are likely to be a problem for many Scots. And I do think that saying she’d have voted against gay marriage is problematic. Mostly because that is an example of where she’d be putting her own values first.

I think politicians need to remember that they’re representatives of their constituents in parliament. And to use that to guide their choices.

if she wanted to make a case that her stance is representative of the people of Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch though… that would be ok. It’s entirely possible that her constituents’ have very different views to people in Glasgow or edinburgh. They deserve to have their MSP represent them as best they can.

But, if you’re standing for FM, you need to be willing to represent the people of Scotland as a whole. And mostly Scots think anyone should be able to marry anyone they want to - it doesn’t affect other people.

BellaAmorosa · 22/02/2023 10:22

RoyalCorgi · 22/02/2023 10:06

According to a comment by Craig Murray on that blogpost, this organisation, the Muslim Council of the UK, are not a well-known or influential organisation (ie don't confuse them with the Muslim Council of Britain). If you google them, almost nothing comes up.

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That is a huge shame, then.

BellaAmorosa · 22/02/2023 10:24

hryllilegur · 22/02/2023 10:16

It’s interesting that people who seemed to have no problem with Forbes’ religion a week ago now think it’s awful.

I do think that wee free values are likely to be a problem for many Scots. And I do think that saying she’d have voted against gay marriage is problematic. Mostly because that is an example of where she’d be putting her own values first.

I think politicians need to remember that they’re representatives of their constituents in parliament. And to use that to guide their choices.

if she wanted to make a case that her stance is representative of the people of Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch though… that would be ok. It’s entirely possible that her constituents’ have very different views to people in Glasgow or edinburgh. They deserve to have their MSP represent them as best they can.

But, if you’re standing for FM, you need to be willing to represent the people of Scotland as a whole. And mostly Scots think anyone should be able to marry anyone they want to - it doesn’t affect other people.

Valid arguments. Infuriating that Hamza Yousaf is not facing the questions that KF is, though.

Bearpaws64 · 22/02/2023 10:39

I believe It's misogyny. We have reached a point in the development of human intelligence where to state the truth, that a biological man, who has, for what ever reason, chosen to identify as a woman, is not a biological woman, but a trans-woman, is regarded as hate speech.
I am looking forward to the revises essay on climate breakdown by Catherine Ingram in which she also intends to explore;
'The threat of transhumanism and the ways that erasing all forms of biology are being insidiously accepted as the new norm'.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 22/02/2023 10:46

BellaAmorosa · 22/02/2023 09:52

@ChardonnaysBeastlyCat
l think@Apollo441was joking.

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Thanks, someone already mentioned it.

ResisterRex · 22/02/2023 10:49

Another look at Humza and his "commitment" on these matters:

order-order.com/2023/02/22/unequivocal-lgbt-supporter-humza-yousaf-missing-for-key-gay-rights-vote/

hryllilegur · 22/02/2023 11:04

Tbh, Yousaf gets away with this shite because he’s a man and he’s a Glasgow MSP.

He can do that classic SNP thing where he appropriates the picturesque elements of the Highlands and Islands but doesn’t have to give any shits about the views and needs within those communities that don’t play well with the metropolitan central belt.

Forbes is a woman who is obviously part of the free Church of Scotland - which is not an aspect of Scotland that the Scottish parliaments seems to be proud of. Being relaxed and open minded to Muslim communities in Glasgow is much more media optics friendly than caring about deeply conservative Christians. They’re all Scots though.

Goldpaw · 22/02/2023 11:07

Sugarfree23 · 22/02/2023 09:51

I hadn't heard of her before today but I'll say I like Kemi.
She's much younger than I thought she would be.

Sorry to derail but is the name Kemi short for something?

From Wiki:

Olukemi Olufunto "Kemi" Badenoch.