Page 7 | Kate Forbes reported for 'transphobia'

ArabellaScott · 2023-02-21T16:01:05+00:00

https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/23336504.kate-forbes-may-breached-snp-rules-transphobia/ 'KATE Forbes looks set to be probed by the SNP's conduct committee after members of the party's LGBTQ+ wing accused her of breaking rules on transphobia. In an interview with ITV Border, when asked if she believed a trans woman is a woman, the Finance Secretary replied: "I believe that a trans woman is a biological male who identifies as a woman."'

Waitwhat23 · 21/02/2023 23:30

It's just unadulterated shite. The SNP have made themselves into an embarrassment - there's been no mysterious Tory evil scheme needed.

And I'm so fed up of hearing 'the majority of MSP's voted for it' given the SNP were whipped and still saw their biggest rebellion since they came to power, Labour were whipped, the Greens are...well, and the Lib Dems are headed by a man who 'did it all for Beth' (oh, there's some very amusing back pedalling going on there btw).

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 21/02/2023 23:42

I'm no fan of Kemi but I have to agree with her statement above.

Rainbowshit · 21/02/2023 23:50

Waitwhat23 · 21/02/2023 23:14

Good point made on Twitter that once the machinations of the SNP have destroyed Kate's chance (and more - there's calls from some for her to be removed from her position/the Government/the SNP entirely), then the focus of destruction will move onto Ash Regan.

I find it quite astonishing that some are calling for her to be removed from office because she's a Christian.

Is's so intolerant and discriminatory.

Thought SNP members were supposed to be tolerant and open. A Broad church. 🤔

Grammarnut · 22/02/2023 00:09

Grumpybutfunny · 21/02/2023 16:18

Very sloppy reply for a politician she should have either declined to answer or answer it properly. As it's stands her answer is transphobic by the code she signed up to represent. It should have been phrased to acknowledge gender identity even if she wanted to rock the boat and add biology to the end of it.

Something like I do believe a trans woman is a woman as an individual has the right to identify as whichever or non gender they wish, this principle is the corner stone of gender identity. This shouldn't be confused with biological genotype which is usually assigned at birth and can be different to someone gender identity

She couldn't say that a transwoman is a woman, because she does not believe this - and probably thinks the idea of 'assigned at birth' is nonsense - and it also conflicts with her faith. What she said was perfectly true, a transwoman is a man who thinks he is a woman; what you suggest she say supports trans ideology and Forbes quite obviously doesn't support it. Politicians either not answering questions or giving weasel answers does them no good with voters. Telling the truth is most refreshing.

Grammarnut · 22/02/2023 00:24

Apollo441 · 21/02/2023 22:56

'I don't believe in sex outside marriage, in my religion it is wrong. But if other people believe otherwise, they are welcome to believe that'.

She.is.literally.Hitler.

Why is she Hitler for not believing in sex outside marriage? It is a perfectly reasonable belief and one held by a majority of people in the world. She did not demand others agree with her (unlike the trans people) and said they were welcome to believe otherwise than her. That is tolerance. We seem to lack it lately. She is also right about transwomen, of course, they are men who think they are women. Good on her for being honest.

Datun · 22/02/2023 00:31

Grumpybutfunny · 21/02/2023 16:18

Very sloppy reply for a politician she should have either declined to answer or answer it properly. As it's stands her answer is transphobic by the code she signed up to represent. It should have been phrased to acknowledge gender identity even if she wanted to rock the boat and add biology to the end of it.

Something like I do believe a trans woman is a woman as an individual has the right to identify as whichever or non gender they wish, this principle is the corner stone of gender identity. This shouldn't be confused with biological genotype which is usually assigned at birth and can be different to someone gender identity

Unpleasant though it may be for KF, I hope she is probed by the committee. And I hope TRAs continue to say gibberish like this ^^.

Let's get it all out there, on the table, under the spotlight.

Along with this load of unhinged, totalitarian claptrap.

Transphobia” describes discriminatory or prejudiced language or actions, relating to actual or perceived gender identity or gender expression, including denying or refusing to accept gender identity”

“Transphobia may manifest in a range of ways including, but not limited to, deliberately misgendering someone or using phrases or language to suggest their gender identity is not valid, for example referring to a trans woman as a "biological man".

Baaaaaa · 22/02/2023 00:42

Pixiedust1234 · 21/02/2023 17:45

It forcing the term man and woman to be about genotype when society increasingly sees them as a phenotype.

Can anyone translate that for me please? I would like to know whether its worth trying to understand Grumpy or not. I highly suspect its not.

Genotype is binary genetic sex. Phenotype is the physical manifestation of genotype: Primary sex characterisics (genitalia and gonads) and secondary sex characteristics (mostly pubertal) and sometimes non sexual population features such as size distributions or behavioural traits

Primary sex characteristics align perfectly unless there is a developmental disorder (dsd) which is true for only 0.0018% of births

Grumpy is incorrectly but probably deliberately using the terms as a linguistic device to conflate trans identities with dsds, and to insinuate that you can substitute 'phenotype' for traditionally masculine/ feminine attributes (which do overlap a little anyway in the the seperate populations of male people and female people) and sex chatacteristics which can obviously be surgically, hormonal or cosmetically created or enhanced.

Trans identities more often than not occur in people who are entirely phenotypical for their sex, and being atypical doesn't negate sex, so it's kind of irrelevant.

We still need words that distinguish human females from human males and from males and females of other species.

Waitwhat23 · 22/02/2023 00:54

Oh aye, one of the loudest voices demanding that Kate step down from the running and 'resign as Cab Sec and MSP'?

Suzanne McLaughlin, Director at Engender.

Yes, that Engender.

Goldpaw · 22/02/2023 00:55

it is basically outing the transwoman as being biologically male

Transwomen are biologically male. It's hardly outing when we all know that.

Datun · 22/02/2023 01:13

Goldpaw · 22/02/2023 00:55

it is basically outing the transwoman as being biologically male

Transwomen are biologically male. It's hardly outing when we all know that.

Nonsense isn't it. It's conditional on being male.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 22/02/2023 01:13

Apollo441 · 21/02/2023 22:56

'I don't believe in sex outside marriage, in my religion it is wrong. But if other people believe otherwise, they are welcome to believe that'.

She.is.literally.Hitler.

😆

I’m sort of wondering if Forbes has gone into this as a sort of intentional wrecking ball - yes, she has some conservative religious views that are out of step with the majority of Scotland (and the UK) but so does one of her opponents… and at least all Forbes’ opinions fit together and make sense, whereas how does Yousaf reconcile HIS faith with Scottish law re: sex outside of marriage/contraception/abortion and LGBT rights?

If Forbes can redirect all the same awkward questions onto Yousaf, that should result in a clear pathway for Regan… or it will result in the SNP looking like hypocrites as well as biology-deniers.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 22/02/2023 01:22

Datun · 22/02/2023 01:13

Nonsense isn't it. It's conditional on being male.

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It’s the defining factor!

Following the TRAs own rules:

If sex and gender are different…

and sex is male/female and gender is man/woman…

then transwomen are MALE-women and we (the boring old-fashioned type of women), are FEMALE-women!

(and as single SEX spaces are divvied up by sex not gender - the clues in the name - they can all cock off back to the male single sex spaces where the male-women can share urinals with male-men)

And as the above is unnecessarily complicated and causes people with low literacy and English as an additional language to be marginalised (especially those who have no separate sex/gender words in their native languages) I propose we all go for the much easier to understand ‘men who say they are women’.

Sugarfree23 · 22/02/2023 01:23

Gender and Isla's pink leggings pulled the last leader down.

Surely Kate who called a spade, a spade won't also be pulled down by her gender views.

ResisterRex · 22/02/2023 07:02

Kemi:

https://twitter.com/kemibadenoch/status/1628193164841418753?s=46&t=IMnpIW2wdsBFqncIJOCamg

"Thank you! So many misunderstand the Equality Act. I was surprised to be asked by Politico to condemn someone for her religious beliefs. Had to point out that the EA protects religious belief! We need to be able to disagree on policy without endless calls to condemn each other."

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 22/02/2023 07:08

Grumpybutfunny · 21/02/2023 16:18

Very sloppy reply for a politician she should have either declined to answer or answer it properly. As it's stands her answer is transphobic by the code she signed up to represent. It should have been phrased to acknowledge gender identity even if she wanted to rock the boat and add biology to the end of it.

Something like I do believe a trans woman is a woman as an individual has the right to identify as whichever or non gender they wish, this principle is the corner stone of gender identity. This shouldn't be confused with biological genotype which is usually assigned at birth and can be different to someone gender identity

“Assigned at birth” is a very sloppy, as you put it, expression.

Assigned by whom? The fates?

smileladiesplease · 22/02/2023 07:16

Good for Kate though I suspect it's done for her campaign
It's all bluff snd crap from the trans lobbyists anyway as her views are protected in law.

smileladiesplease · 22/02/2023 07:17

As it stands her answer is transphobic.

No such thing as transphobic Is there just facts

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 22/02/2023 07:18

Apollo441 · 21/02/2023 22:56

'I don't believe in sex outside marriage, in my religion it is wrong. But if other people believe otherwise, they are welcome to believe that'.

She.is.literally.Hitler.

Would you say this about a person of any other religion who holds the same views?

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 22/02/2023 07:20

smileladiesplease · 22/02/2023 07:17

As it stands her answer is transphobic.

No such thing as transphobic Is there just facts

It's the other way around. Everything is transphobic.

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ArabellaScott · 22/02/2023 07:23

Waitwhat23 · 22/02/2023 00:54

Oh aye, one of the loudest voices demanding that Kate step down from the running and 'resign as Cab Sec and MSP'?

Suzanne McLaughlin, Director at Engender.

Yes, that Engender.

Does Suzanne think nobody who believes transwomen are biologically male should be in government?

Seems kind of extremist.

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Igneococcus · 22/02/2023 07:29

Would you say this about a person of any other religion who holds the same views?
I think Apollo is being sarcastic.

smileladiesplease · 22/02/2023 07:30

Is Suzanne a woman or one of those women with penis?

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 22/02/2023 07:30

Sugarfree23 · 22/02/2023 01:23

Gender and Isla's pink leggings pulled the last leader down.

Surely Kate who called a spade, a spade won't also be pulled down by her gender views.

It’s possible there is no correct view for women to hold. In the same way as there is no way for women to dress that won’t be somehow wrong.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 22/02/2023 07:31

Igneococcus · 22/02/2023 07:29

Would you say this about a person of any other religion who holds the same views?
I think Apollo is being sarcastic.

OK.

Clarabell77 · 22/02/2023 07:39

Waitwhat23 · 21/02/2023 23:30

It's just unadulterated shite. The SNP have made themselves into an embarrassment - there's been no mysterious Tory evil scheme needed.

And I'm so fed up of hearing 'the majority of MSP's voted for it' given the SNP were whipped and still saw their biggest rebellion since they came to power, Labour were whipped, the Greens are...well, and the Lib Dems are headed by a man who 'did it all for Beth' (oh, there's some very amusing back pedalling going on there btw).

I can imagine you’re fed up with hearing actual facts that don’t fit with your opinion. That must be quite exhausting.