Re: Starmer

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I hope that starmer, having possibly wetted his finger and stuck it in the air to see which way the wind is blowing,following Sturgeons resignation, doesn't think, that if he starts to be a bit GC, that women will be keen to vote for him!
The man has already planted his flag and just like Sturgeon, he chose to plant it on the north face of the Eiger. More fool him! imo.

I've already seen the colours that he wears and they aren't green, purple and white!
Women don't owe him a damned thing!

jgw1 · Today 12:01

Are women being locked up with men in prison now?

Do you not read the papers? Or the numerous threads here on the subject.

Here's yet another one:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4744849-tw-in-cornton-vale-segregated-because-of-her-safety?reply=123976017

I think this poster knew this. They're just arguing that because this happens under a tory government, there's no reason not to vote for kier starmer.

I'm pretty sure jgw1's point was that women are locked up with men currently under a Tory government in England.

Implying that having Labour in government would not change an already existing.situation.

As I posted above, the current UK government are already acting (see link).

Scotland is a different legal and penal system, presided over by the self-described progressive SNP.

I care about women who are the collateral damage in all areas of gender ideology. I believe that for proper change we need leaders who are not male supremacists and i believe kier is one. You might not like this view. You might not agree with it. But insulting me is not going to make me see things your way.

It's a good start. Doesn't go far enough in my opinion but I'm pleased to hear this is starting to be addressed.

OP, your original point (I think) was that Starmer has lost credibility as a Labour leader who you could vote for given his track record on this issue? I agree. He has allowed terrible harassment of MPs like Rosie Duffield and his bland response to women’s rights has disappointed me.

At the risk of derailing this thread though, I think that the Tories are waiting to use Starmer’s ridiculous pronouncements about who may or may not have a cervix against him. And Starmer should be worried about Posie standing against him: the right wing press will love it.

At this stage everyone assumes Labour will win. I think they could lose if the Tories and their supporters paint a powerful picture of Starmer as a weak, hesitant pen pusher who prevaricates about something as clear as biological sex. Starmer’s team should be talking with him about the need to attract the female vote. Given the recent video by Trump of all people, Starmer should be thinking very seriously about ensuring he appeals to women who are horrified about rapists being housed in the female estate. It could be his Achilles’ heel.

I hope his team realised how this could play and start to take into account the views of the voting public. People have short memories about Covid etc….

I know. Which makes it all the more confusing why some posters seem to want to blame KS.

Curious. A poster just linked to the Ministry of Justice policy on it. Do we have some kind of Schrodinger's inmate?

howmanybicycles · Today 13:37

I think this poster knew this. They're just arguing that because this happens under a tory government, there's no reason not to vote for kier starmer.

Ah, thanks.

jgw1 · Today 13:49

I know. Which makes it all the more confusing why some posters seem to want to blame KS.

Nobody is blaming him for the current situation, they're criticising him for being such a fool that he wants to simplify Self ID radically, thereby making the situation far worse and for being unable to learn from Sturgeon's disaster.

At the risk of derailing this thread though, I think that the Tories are waiting to use Starmer’s ridiculous pronouncements about who may or may not have a cervix against him.

Of course they will, making your political opponents look foolish is part of the job. They don't normally make it quite this easy for you though.

Any sign yet of Starmer meeting with the Labour Women's Declaration? They have shown the patience of Griselda.

Eh?

If you click on the link and read the text, it clearly says the current government is making changes to its policy - "Under the reforms, transgender women with male genitalia, or those who have been convicted of a sexual offence, should no longer be held in the general women’s estate."

Not far enough for many of us - no males at all in women''s prisons or any other women's spaces is what we want

Now, what is Keir "Self ID" Starmer's policy?

Yes, he did. He expelled three Labour members in Surrey for backing an NHS candidate against Jeremy Hunt when JH was Health Secretary.

If the current government who actually have the power to change things, aren't making changes quick enough why not campaign to get them to make changes. As far as I can tell the purpose of these threads is to demonise Starmer, presumably somone at CCHQ thinks it will be as effective as the but Corbyn narrative.

It's not demonising Starmer to call out or question his stance on women's rights.

And I ask again, what is his policy on males in women's prisons?

How does his publicly announced attitude to self ID impact such a policy?

So that women can decide whether he and his party deserve their votes.

What is his publicly announced attitude to Self-ID? I'm not aware he's made one.

The demonising rhetoric is just one of the strategies to attempt to discredit posters who have concerns about his moral compass. It's used in the absence of actual debate or conversation.

He has said at various times that the GRA was 'in desperate need of reform to introduce self-declaration for transgender people" and that the Labour Party is committed to updating the GRA to introduce self-declaration for trans people.

He also said in an interview in January "We want to modernise the system, we're looking at what the options are, there are all sorts of different definitions in relation to self-certification."

There was also an address to the Labour Campaign for LGBT+ Rights in February which was greeted with glee by the Campaign and Ben Bradshaw said he had recommitted "to reforming the UK's out-of-date gender recognition process". However his actual words on that occasion are not publicly available.

Not aimed at me I know but had to answer, I wrote several times in I think 2021 and early 2022. Not a single reply and I think my email might have been blocked.
Ive written to a few Tory MPs and always had a reply. It might not have been what I wanted to hear, but still they bothered, even bo jo while he was in downing street (yes it was a flunky that actually replied but still)

I am SO looking forward to KJK making Starmer look completely ridiculous when she stands against him. He will not be able to hide his ludicrous views.

It's by no means in the bag. KS has plenty of time to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Women are watching.

LOL. On the contrary, I think Tory supporters are much more likely to like him than a lot of Labour supporters. 😀

I'm concerned that MSM are not really saying that sturgeon came a cropper because of her wedding herself to self id. That is absolutely what sank her, but because news folk in general are so woke its almost as if they can't quite believe it.
I wish the papers and the BBC would say loud and clear that the people of Scotland woke up to the chaos self id was causing and turned against it which made her position untenable. Until it is said loudly, the London based Labour self id panderers can pretend they don't know and Starmer will be too afraid to stand against them whatever he personally believes

Dont be silly

she hasn’t deplatformed you, she just doesn’t want to deal with you

its fair enough, people can’t be forced to respond to other posters