Re: Starmer

[EpicChaos]

I hope that starmer, having possibly wetted his finger and stuck it in the air to see which way the wind is blowing,following Sturgeons resignation, doesn't think, that if he starts to be a bit GC, that women will be keen to vote for him!
The man has already planted his flag and just like Sturgeon, he chose to plant it on the north face of the Eiger. More fool him! imo.

I've already seen the colours that he wears and they aren't green, purple and white!
Women don't owe him a damned thing!

This still smacks of after the revolution babe, now go make the tea. Theres a love.

It mentions trans still have issues, fair enough. Doesnt mention women still have issues, many issues.

Calls us biological women, what other kind is their? Probably should say born women as we all know at least one biological woman who isnt. Hint IW.

Says it's still really really hard to get a GRC, it's not any more. It's a fiver. Not going to put anyone off. Like its supposed to.

Other problems with it, too numerous to bother with.

And finally it doesnt go far enough.
I require laws to be made that those single sex spaces are unassailable now. No fudging, no going around, simply single sex only. Defined in law. I'm not having future women go through all this shit I've been through since 2004. It is frankly ridiculous that its taken almost 20 years and we are still no further forward. If this kind of single sex space grabbing ever happens again I think we should ask every single woman in the country if they want this. And if one woman says no, that is the end of the matter.

I will campaign for these laws until the day I die with whichever party is in power.

@CryInToYourCornflakesNicola may I take your response as the basis for my reply…?

The bit I couldn’t BEAR was the “let’s be grownups” part. I’m trying. And grown ups vote. I delivered your leaflets Keir.

Of course you can. I would share all my words if it meant the end to this. Even the sweary ones.

Going on and on about gender, aka going o n and on about women and children's rights, is really the sort of thing only a male supremacist would say. It's like saying "going on and on about racism" or 'going on and in about fgm' or 'going on and on about poverty'. Best to ignore people who so proudly display their isms in my opinion.

FFS. That letter.

"It asks people to go through a very arduous process and obtain the consent of their husband or wife (if they have one) to change gender."

Of course it does! You are talking about changing a key marker on an identity documents, a marker that governs how the state and civic institutions perceive and process someone across a range of activities, data banks, statistics, policies and provisions. It's not like changing your bloody name. If I suddenly call myself Mary, it doesn't mean I drop off a smear recall list or my low levels of testosterone mean I'm at risk of heart disease.

And of course, it affects a legal spouse! Would they expect a gay man to go through a possibly contested divorce process if his male spouse suddenly decided he wanted to be perceived as female and undergo GRS, but still demanded to be with their male partner in a new, shiny heterosexual relationship?!

"The vast majority of the time, trans women are rightly treated with respect and compassion as women. However, the law rightly protects some spaces for biological women, and allows for trans women to be excluded from those spaces in specific circumstances."

So what is the point of all this then? That transwomen are women, except when they aren't? So when are they women then? Just on bits of paper that don't actually mean anything, but will just screw up data and statistics and specifically targetted policies -- and make your party look like utter loons for claiming 2+2=Eleventy-Orange-Bubbles-Squiggle-NouNou?

FFS.

"It asks people to go through a very arduous process and obtain the consent of their husband or wife (if they have one) to change gender."

It asks people to do for 2 years what they want to do for life; and as the change is so drastic it insists their spouse must be permitted to exit the marriage while the legal documents still exist that allow them to disentangle their financial and legal affairs. They can obtain an interim GRA while they wait for the divorce to be finalised.
The law shouldn't be able to prevent someone divorcing after one partner makes such a life changing decision. People who can't grasp this haven't understood the situation at all.

The fact that a political party led by a lawyer haven't grasped the legal ramifications is fucking terrifying.

Do you know what else is fucking terrifying?

The fact that getting a GRC essentially creates a new person. Your old identity is dead in the eyes of the state.

The person you were before your GRC the person who paid national insurance, and tax, and had medical records no longer exists. There's no link between you and that person. So you can't access any of that information, and neither can the state.

All the NI payments, the medical records, the pension details, and tax records in the name of that former identity are gone.

I know a TW with a GRC who is having huge, unsolvable, problems because 30 years of their NI payments now belong, in terms of the state, to "another person" (their deadname identity), which has massive implications for any welfare claims and their state pension, and so do over fifty years worth of their medical records.

It is akin to being registered, mistakenly, as dead. You can't undo it.

That is terrifying.