Let Women SPeak - Australia & NZ tour

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I am so excited that this is coming to Australia - I will hopefully be attending.

Anyone else?

KJK says they are nothing to do with her, she finds their views abhorrent, doesn't understand how they even exist in 2023 and didn't even know that that particular group of men in black were Nazis until they started saluting and she has no idea why the police allowed them in.

Her Twitter moves too fast for me. Can you show me where she said this? It would make me feel a lot better.

Yep, I'm a regular poster on FWR and people here know my views well.

We're definitely not on the same side, because I support women and children and don't go around trying to struggle session women with nonsense accusations and harassment. I assume you're a TRA or an AGCL - same thing, really, isn't it?

On this week’s episode of ‘when pathologically controlling people are told No’ a number of poster properly lose their shit

so much talk of what others should do. It’s like the dance of the personality disorders on here this morning

Can I ask which posters you think are minimising it though?

This part of the thread is really taking a bizarre turn. I have not seen a poster yet deny that the men from the National Socialist Network are Neo nazis. And no poster that I have seen has said that they should have been allowed anywhere in that entire area.

I have seen a heap of bizarre accusations. And some confusing posters who seem keen to make the point that these men were there to 'support' the women. Which is not denied that they might have said they were or even thought they were based on their piss poor research (on non-existent research), but is simply unsupportable when you consider that they were wrong about the intentions of the women.

Kellie Jay has now made several statements over the week denouncing this group. She started making statements back in 2019 that everyone seems to have forgotten and missed. And she made a statement that she was not connected in any way to the controversial group at Brighton.

Most posters on this thread who have been on this thread since the beginning have been clear that these men should never have been allowed to do what they did. Right back throughout the thread.

Would you mind telling me how it is being minimised on this thread?

I genuinely value the slightly different take you usually bring to the discussion but no I will not do the research to make you feel better. You felt confident enough to comment without it so I suggest you go and look it up on any one of the many threads on the subject of KJK Nazis sympathies.

I shall find two videos where she has stated this.

Yep. Why don't these posters actually do something themselves and see if they can find anyone to support them in doing it? Maybe that's not the point...

For you Spart

Can I ask which posters you think are minimising it though?

There have been some posts by BezMills (not a name I recognise), BernardBlacks and a couple of others that I find genuinely distressing.

I will find the other one for you . But I need to find the time stamp for you.

Didn't the Australian Government put refugees in camps? Where they were abused, where children were abused, where there were deaths. Perhaps policies like that emboldened the far right and the neo nazis.

KJK didn't bring them with her and they will still be there when she's gone.

I’m sorry to hear that

could you be specific?

For you Spart

Thank you - I didn't quite get from that one that she denounces nn's just that she has not associated with the individuals she has been accused of.

I think there is a difference and nn's are so abhorrent that it won't hurt to completely and continually denounce them - and especially if they try to crash your party. A written statement would be more effective than a video too (especially if the video was before the event).

My take is that it will only help and not hurt.

No one is 'downplaying' the threat of 'far-right/neo-nazi' in Australian or anywhere.

Are you interpreting people asking for who is considered 'far right' to be 'downplaying' them?

No, they are trying to work out the crap from the reality. We have experienced on FWR a flood of posters declaring this person or this group is 'far right' when they are not. But those posters declaring people far right are doing so to make some kind of fucked up political point.

I have not seen anyone deny that the National Socialist Network was there when evidence became clear who they were. Instead what we have are posters determined to portray this group, the National Socialist Network, as being truthfully supportive of the women there.

That group of men are so deficit in thinking that they didn't even do their research. Yet there are posters on this thread pushing something that when you scratch the surface is not actually feasible.

I see frustrated posters who have been posting on this thread for days now being demanded to provide answers that have been answered with fucking screeds of posts before this.

People seeking clarification before agreeing with someone's accusation about someone being 'far right' is not an indication of downplaying the 'far right'. It is as they are saying they are doing and are explaining why.

Because 'far right' is misused so often on FWR and all over the internet that people want to be careful to make sure they make accusation statements.

surely it’s time for cheese - I don’t understand all the rules - but what a load of misrepresenting looking at the wrong thing bollox

A written statement would be more effective than a video too (especially if the video was before the event).

Exactly, especially when the video above is with Avi Yemini, the self described "World's proudest Jewish Nazi"

www.thejc.com/news/world/avi-yemini-jewish-spokesperson-for-tommy-robinson-convicted-of-assault-against-former-wife-1.486946

Sure. a written statement would likely help.

Would it be unreasonable for people to wait until she had time to do this and word it properly and not while she is incredibly tired, she has said she has been sick with a virus from the start, and while she is trying to do interviews and organise events?

Because it seems she has to get the words explicit for anyone to be satisfied at this point. She is one person.

So you're telling me that if KJK made a written statement that she does not support Nazis, the AGCL types would suddenly stop denigrating her at every possible chance?
Because I don't believe that for a second. Whatever she says isn't enough.
First, it's denounce, then because she's already done that it's now denounce in writing.
What next do you think? Interpretive dance? Semaphore?

Nothing would ever be enough. She's already had her card marked by people that hate her so why should she bother with any of it to appeal to people that are never going to accept it anyway.

I’m sorry to hear that
Apologies, Bernard. It was your reaction to a longer post by nilsmousehammer that I saw and misattributed to you.

I can remember when William and Harry donned SS uniforms and my parents (both in service after the war and who lived through it albeit in different theatres) were both angry and distressed. What happened before, during and after WW2 to the Jews and others and at the hands of the Nazis is just wrong and we should never, ever make fun of it. Neo Nazis are not the same but ideologically they are similar. They are real and they are dangerous.

If it helps, I also find jokes about and portrayals of witch burning highly, highly offensive.

Are you interpreting people asking for who is considered 'far right' to be 'downplaying' them?

No, the downplaying I'm talking about is where posters say that the National Socialist Network are 'playing dress-up" or "LARPing".

So you're telling me that if KJK made a written statement that she does not support Nazis, the AGCL types would suddenly stop denigrating her at every possible chance?

No. I am saying that it would be the right thing to do.

It's really never enough is it.

She made her feelings clear about the neo Nazis gatecrashing the rally but she said it to the wrong person?

You can see why she has given up trying to explain herself.

Who is saying that. Point to that post.

Would it be unreasonable for people to wait until she had time to do this and word it properly and not while she is incredibly tired, she has said she has been sick with a virus from the start, and while she is trying to do interviews and organise events?

I'll wait for it. But if it was me I'd have made it a priority - even a "Those men were not here on my invitation and I personally unequivocally denounce neo nazism and everything it stands for" would have been a start.

nilsmousehammer · Today 10:24

A twat putting on a uniform and going zig heil because they quite like the image of grrr I'm bad, look at me, and liking the feelz and the image is not a nazi. They are a larping, attention seeking twat.

So no. I do not accept that someone fucking about in a highly offensive costume for their personal jollies is a 'Nazi', they are just a larping twat.