Let Women SPeak - Australia & NZ tour

[ZombieMumEB]

I am so excited that this is coming to Australia - I will hopefully be attending.

Anyone else?

Good to hear the uk charges against KJK have been dropped 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽

By the police.

But this seems a disingenuous question because - as is fairly obvious - no-one knows or is checking the political views of any women speaking (quite rightly).

What universe are you living in? This happens continuously. It's a large chunk of the basis for the endless accusations about KJK - we're always hearing about the Bad People with links to Bad People attending her events.

This time has been a notable exception purely due to the excitement of having something more concrete to pontificate about off-stage.

What are your views on how best to address this, given you must surely see that their presence is absolutely unhelpful from an optics point of view - and indeed a safety point of view.

Personally, I'd be making it very clear that neo-nazis and other hate groups were not welcome at any protest I organised (and I've organised a few) and my own views about these groups being reprehensible would be so well known that I'd not have to repeat them. If NN turned up uninvited at any event that I organised I'd make it very, very clear that they were uninvited and unwelcome. This isn't even about optics. It's deeper and more fundamental than that and because these groups are reprehensible and their ideas odious.

Are you a TRA?

As they are the only people I know suggesting the Nazis were there to 'support' women.

The Nazis themselves made it very clear they were only there for a fight with Antifa and despise women, and the women are certainly not claiming the Nazis are there to support them.

Hmmm. How interesting you think this.

Strange. Because that's exactly what I'd do too.

Wonder why others object to this obvious approach.

"Almost as though these posters were trying to minimise the far right and provide proof on social media of MN and the gender critical being supportive of the far right."

Well. That is an interesting take. Sorry everyone, I am very slow on the take up this morning.

You have read posts with the framing that to question who are the far right and to ask just how many times does a woman who has already denouced the far right have to denounce the far right to be considered pure enough not to be referred to as 'far right' or aligned with the 'far right' as people 'being supportive of the far right'?

Is that what you really have twisted in your mind?

That we are all here being 'supportive of the far right'?

That is fantastic news!

You're not going to accept that the men who attended the event were actual Nazis, or state what in your book could qualify as Nazi or far right if men dressed in black uniforms literally sieg-heiling

The Nazis were a political movement 70 years ago, with an army and a very clear political purpose, intentions, specific to that time and place. They murdered 6 million people on an industrial scale, they herded entire village populations into buildings and burned them alive, they committed atrocities that left millions traumatised, can we please not weaponise the actual real suffering of actual real people for a bit of political point scoring? Because we don't know we're born and really all the word 'Nazi' is standing for is 'bad person I don't like, who I think probably vaguely mouths platitudes about stuff I politically don't agree with and I know fuck all about real history and have no respect whatsoever for the holocaust'.

A twat putting on a uniform and going zig heil because they quite like the image of grrr I'm bad, look at me, and liking the feelz and the image is not a nazi. They are a larping, attention seeking twat. If I put on a feathered head dress and run around whooping and burning sage I have not turned into a cherokee. Rather like those claiming to be all antifa know fuck all about fascism, they just like saying it, and those claiming to be anarchists know fuck all about anarchism as a movement and have never done anything to actually involve themselves in it, they just like smashing stuff. And rather like we have those males who know fuck all about women or being one, but quite like the image, the feelz, the outfits and the perceptions of others around them.

So no. I do not accept that someone fucking about in a highly offensive costume for their personal jollies is a 'Nazi', they are just a larping twat.

This

Fuck! That is a stake for a tree!

Good to hear the uk charges against KJK have been dropped 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽

Of course they have. They had fuck all. The process is the punishment. Relieved for her.

Fabulous! And, it has to be said, entirely expected.

The process is the punishment.

We all know it.

Cross post Eresh.

I hope she can talk about it now. I hope she can name names.

Just catching up with the thread, still a bit confused. These nazi accusations seem to have entered 'when did you stop bearing your wife?' territory. I'm going to assume the feminists in Australia (who apparently had in inside knowledge on the far right/nazi spectrum and what they would try), issued a statement to ask them not to attend. They surely didn't just decide to sit this one out, because......purity? They didn't decide that keeping their hands clean was better than doing, what exactly, anything?

Was that the Aboriginal flag that politician was dragging through the dirt? Metaphorically and literally.

@Helleofabore - yes, it is a sharp ended stake, and could quite easily have killed/maimed/blinded someone.

So no. I do not accept that someone fucking about in a highly offensive costume for their personal jollies is a 'Nazi', they are just a larping twat.

Sorry nils, I know it's not a laughing matter, but that punctures the faux outraged balloon so spectacularly, it's very funny.

Exactly though, the Nazis were there to support SFW because they think SFW are on the same page as them. This isn’t true, but it is still a political problem, as lots of people already think we are all Nazis. It’s just disingenuous to deny that they were there to support SFW.

Saying ‘oh isn’t it bad the Nazis turned up to support SFW’ is not the same as saying ‘oh Posie and all the women who speak at SFW are literal Nazis who should shut up’. Or the same as saying ‘everything the Nazis think about SFW is true’.

I think it’s important to make clear how the women’s rights arguments are different to the arguments that appeal to Nazi groups- ie that men and women should stay in their heterosexual boxes and stop messing about being gender non conforming. Maybe that is being done (I’m not on Twitter much these days) but denying why the Nazis were there doesn’t seem like a great start.

Can you tell us how Kellie Jay Keen's statements on various videos about not being connected or supporting the facists /neo nazis / far right are not her "send out clear messages they (she) have nothing to do with the far right and do not under any circumstances want their supposed 'support'."?

Are you missing that she has already done this earlier in the week?

How many times should she do this? Do you have a number of frequencies that will convince people?

Wonder why others object to this obvious approach.

I really don't know.

I mean it wouldn't hurt, would it?

Yes, exactly, Bez.

the absolute state of rainbow flag spear man. I mean it's a look, but the spear just doesn't go with the guyliner if you ask me.

So no. I do not accept that someone fucking about in a highly offensive costume for their personal jollies is a 'Nazi', they are just a larping twat.

Me neither. It's thug cosplay.

On a different thread, I actually was posting denounciations on every page.

It didn't help one jot.