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ZombieMumEB · 2023-02-11T06:41:04+00:00

I am so excited that this is coming to Australia - I will hopefully be attending. Anyone else?

xxyzz · 23/03/2023 09:54

Datun · 23/03/2023 09:46

AND anyone who cares about women’s rights needs to send out clear messages they have nothing to do with the far right and do not under any circumstances want their supposed 'support'.

Do you think someone on the right, or far right, whose child has been damaged by this ideology, should be allowed to speak at posie's rally?

Genuine question.

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Yes of course.

But I don't believe you're seriously claiming the bunch of very obvious Nazis was there to raise a thoughful point about their child being damaged by this ideology? That they were really there because they truly cared about women’s or children's rights or safety?!

The mind boggles.

I thought the only people trying to claim the neo-Nazis were genuinely there to support KJK were TRAs?

Helleofabore · 23/03/2023 09:54

xxyzz · 23/03/2023 09:48

What a surprise.

You're not going to accept that the men who attended the event were actual Nazis, or state what in your book could qualify as Nazi or far right if men dressed in black uniforms literally sieg-heiling doesn't qualify, according to you.

I'll draw my own conclusions as to why you want to set the bar so high for anyone to be labelled as far right. As will others.

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No. No surprise. You just clearly haven't bothered to read my previous posts.

The accusations you are making in this post are actually pretty hilarious when you look back on my posts.

FOJN · 23/03/2023 09:58

They are misguided through their own lack of research.

That's a very charitable interpretation.

I'm seeing willful ignorance as an ongoing excuse to smear not just KJK but every woman who refuses to condemn her.

Shall we form an orderly queue for our burning?

Helleofabore · 23/03/2023 09:58

NotYourCisterinAus · 23/03/2023 08:44

Watching "The Bolt Report" right now (which is not something I'd ever thought I'd say!) and he just called out the behaviour of the TRAs at the Let Women Speak rallies and the biased reporting of the MSM. (How ironic!)

Talking of behaviour, I've been thinking that the Greens' puerile behaviour over the last few days has demonstrated that they're stuck in a student union level of politics. Lord knows there are enough badly behaved politicians in all parties, but I don't want to trust government to the hands of people acting like stopping teenagers.

I must admit that I have been watching media pundits that I never thought I would watch explaining things too.

What the main free to air channels have done is leave themselves open to looking like they cannot present facts at all. I do wonder how Media Watch will cover it. I hope I am not disappointed.

Helleofabore · 23/03/2023 10:00

FOJN · 23/03/2023 09:58

They are misguided through their own lack of research.

That's a very charitable interpretation.

I'm seeing willful ignorance as an ongoing excuse to smear not just KJK but every woman who refuses to condemn her.

Shall we form an orderly queue for our burning?

Well, it seems I am first. Because a poster actually has posted that I don't know who the National Socialist Network is....

Datun · 23/03/2023 10:00

xxyzz · 23/03/2023 09:54

Yes of course.

But I don't believe you're seriously claiming the bunch of very obvious Nazis was there to raise a thoughful point about their child being damaged by this ideology? That they were really there because they truly cared about women’s or children's rights or safety?!

The mind boggles.

I thought the only people trying to claim the neo-Nazis were genuinely there to support KJK were TRAs?

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No. (Although homophobic, entrenched far right people will absolutely have children who are attracted to the ideology).

But that wasn't the reason I asked. The reason I asked is that Posie is quite clear that she will speak to far right women if their children are damaged by the ideology. She doesn't make a single distinction. I just wanted to make sure you are absolutely fine with that.

Good to know that you are.

littlbrowndog · 23/03/2023 10:01

Form that queue.

xxyzz · 23/03/2023 10:02

Datun · 23/03/2023 09:51

xxyzz

Do you think someone on the right, or far right, whose child has been damaged by this ideology, should be allowed to speak at posie's rally?

Also, I note the attempted conflation of 'right' and 'far right' here.

No-one has suggested for a second that there is anything wrong with women on the right speaking, and indeed, this is clearly not a party political issue - many leading women on the right, like the Baroness, Maria Cates etc do stirling work to stand up for women's rights.

Pretending that there is not a huge difference between right and far right or neo-Nazis is disingenuous in the extreme.

One is part of the normal political spectrum, one is deservedly outside it, for very good reason.

Surely you cannot be claiming not to be aware of the difference?

lifeturnsonadime · 23/03/2023 10:02

NotYourCisterinAus · 22/03/2023 23:56

Does anyone else worry that the way the terms "far right", "fascist" and "Nazi" are flung around with abandon will lead to a situation where we don't recognise the real far right, fascists and Nazis when they turn up? There are far too many boys crying "wolf" at the moment.

Yes.

I have no idea what people mean when they say Nazi anymore.

It's like the word woman it's meaningless.

BezMills · 23/03/2023 10:02

FWR wims, all I can say at this point is this.

I salute your indefatiguability in the face of relentless intransigent nonsense shitposting, day after day after day.

Flowers/Chocolate/Gin/Biscuits all round.

FOJN · 23/03/2023 10:03

Helleofabore · 23/03/2023 10:00

Well, it seems I am first. Because a poster actually has posted that I don't know who the National Socialist Network is....

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Your patience is quite extraordinary.

xxyzz · 23/03/2023 10:03

BezMills · 23/03/2023 10:02

FWR wims, all I can say at this point is this.

I salute your indefatiguability in the face of relentless intransigent nonsense shitposting, day after day after day.

Flowers/Chocolate/Gin/Biscuits all round.

How very true.

Couldn't have put it better myself.

littlbrowndog · 23/03/2023 10:03

BezMills · 23/03/2023 10:02

FWR wims, all I can say at this point is this.

I salute your indefatiguability in the face of relentless intransigent nonsense shitposting, day after day after day.

Flowers/Chocolate/Gin/Biscuits all round.

And Easter eggs. In fact anything for putting up with the shite chat

Helleofabore · 23/03/2023 10:05

xxyzz · 23/03/2023 09:08

Have you name-changed to attack me? How cute.

Yes, I am saying that anyone who actually cares about advancing women's rights rather than the far right will understand why it matters that all our hard work is not derailed by unwanted links with the far right.

You've made it clear that you're not prepared to do that and prefer to live in fantasy politics land, where we only ever wish to appeal to the converted or the hard right.

Enjoy living in fantasy land. The rest of us have to live in the real world, the one in which we will almost certainly have a Labour government in a little over a year. Who will not be persuaded by headlines which link women’s rights and the far right.

You can dislike the reality. But you ignore it at women’s peril.

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errrrr... no.. Anactor is a regular FWR poster. Who did you think was 'attacking' you?

Datun · 23/03/2023 10:05

xxyzz · 23/03/2023 10:02

Also, I note the attempted conflation of 'right' and 'far right' here.

No-one has suggested for a second that there is anything wrong with women on the right speaking, and indeed, this is clearly not a party political issue - many leading women on the right, like the Baroness, Maria Cates etc do stirling work to stand up for women's rights.

Pretending that there is not a huge difference between right and far right or neo-Nazis is disingenuous in the extreme.

One is part of the normal political spectrum, one is deservedly outside it, for very good reason.

Surely you cannot be claiming not to be aware of the difference?

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Surely you don't think that your disingenuous nonsense is fooling anyone?

I said right, or far right, in order for you to make a distinction, should you feel more comfortable doing so.

Hence the word 'or'.

I assume from your original answer, that you make no such distinction. But maybe I'm wrong?

Datun · 23/03/2023 10:06

And Before you try to misinterpret that, the distinction I'm referring to is whether or not they are allowed to speak at posies rally

Helleofabore · 23/03/2023 10:08

gwrachod · 23/03/2023 09:13

Fucking hell, give me strength.

We're talking about the actual far right. It's not complicated. If you don't know what that is, try Google.

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Do you begin to understand yet?

That the terms 'far right' have been used to such a degree that people don't know who someone is referring to. Because what 5-10 years ago was easy to judge as 'far right' has had a huge list of centrist and centre right, even centre left, added to it.

Can you understand why we have been politely asking you to explain who you are talking about?

Datun · 23/03/2023 10:10

Can you understand why we have been politely asking you to explain who you are talking about?

i'm going to say, and this is just a hunch, that you may not get a very comprehensive answer to that question.

xxyzz · 23/03/2023 10:13

Datun · 23/03/2023 10:05

Surely you don't think that your disingenuous nonsense is fooling anyone?

I said right, or far right, in order for you to make a distinction, should you feel more comfortable doing so.

Hence the word 'or'.

I assume from your original answer, that you make no such distinction. But maybe I'm wrong?

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No, I make no such distinction. Any woman who wants to speak about the damage gender ideology has caused to their child should of course be able to talk about it.

Their politics should be irrelevant.

But this seems a disingenuous question because - as is fairly obvious - no-one knows or is checking the political views of any women speaking (quite rightly).

The women speaking are not the issue - I haven't seen anyone at any point suggesting they are.

The issue is with the bunch of very visible Nazis who turned up, who were very obviously not there for a chat about their children.

What are your views on how best to address this, given you must surely see that their presence is absolutely unhelpful from an optics point of view - and indeed a safety point of view. Having women threatened by TRAs is bad enough - having them.in the middle of a street battle between Nazis and Antifa would be infinitely worse. Especially given the police have a history of not protecting the women adequately at these events.

And no, I'm not asking whose fault it is - the violence is clearly the fault of the violent men. I'm asking what you would do to address these issues?

Ourladycheesusedatum · 23/03/2023 10:15

We’ll have discussions with Moira,” he said

Well fuck, that sounds a lot like, we will reeducate moira shortly.
Much sinister.

And sorry I'm pages behind, I'm on holiday and only slowly reading threads. I've actually managed to read an entire book this week. Which pre internet would have been a paltry amount.

Helleofabore · 23/03/2023 10:16

Astralitzia · 23/03/2023 09:14

Come on now, that's disingenuous in the extreme. It's quite clear they're there to keep counter protestors away from the Let Women Speak event.

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They were clear in that they believed that Let Women Speak was 'anti-transgender' and 'anti-paedophile'.

Do you think that Let Women Speak is 'anti-transgender'?

And as has been gone around and around on another thread, are you 'anti-paedophile' ? If you were there protesting against paedophiles, they would have been there supporting you.

The National Socialist Network did not research as to what the women speaking at the event might be discussing. I would expect they are opportunistic men who wanted to make some kind of game of antagonising as many people as they could for fucked up reasons.

Do you think they would be supporting lesbians? Do you think they would be supporting women who want to find equitable solutions that mean that both trans people and women are kept safe and can life their lives without harm?

I suspect not. However, I have asked for the details on what this group, the National Socialist Network are campaigning for and nothing has been forthcoming. Maybe to some it is more convenient to allow people to believe that they support feminists.

Datun · 23/03/2023 10:17

xxyzz · 23/03/2023 10:13

No, I make no such distinction. Any woman who wants to speak about the damage gender ideology has caused to their child should of course be able to talk about it.

Their politics should be irrelevant.

But this seems a disingenuous question because - as is fairly obvious - no-one knows or is checking the political views of any women speaking (quite rightly).

The women speaking are not the issue - I haven't seen anyone at any point suggesting they are.

The issue is with the bunch of very visible Nazis who turned up, who were very obviously not there for a chat about their children.

What are your views on how best to address this, given you must surely see that their presence is absolutely unhelpful from an optics point of view - and indeed a safety point of view. Having women threatened by TRAs is bad enough - having them.in the middle of a street battle between Nazis and Antifa would be infinitely worse. Especially given the police have a history of not protecting the women adequately at these events.

And no, I'm not asking whose fault it is - the violence is clearly the fault of the violent men. I'm asking what you would do to address these issues?

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I'd do what I believe Posie is doing, ask the police why, given they didn't have a permit, why they were allowed in.

AlisonDonut · 23/03/2023 10:18

xxyzz · 23/03/2023 09:34

You do know that two things can exist at the same time?

Yes, the actions of the police were dodgy as hell.

AND anyone who cares about women’s rights needs to send out clear messages they have nothing to do with the far right and do not under any circumstances want their supposed 'support'.

Glad that you at least acknowledge that the men there sieg-heiling were actually Nazis and not just right of centre, as has been humorously suggested on this thread.

You might want to tell some of your friends on this thread who struggle with this.

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I have no idea what the difference between a real nazi and lads playing dress up is. That's one for you to go in to nazi forums and query.

One thing I do know about real nazis is...they do not turn up at women's rights events to support women. As if. Catch yourself on.

xxyzz · 23/03/2023 10:18

Helleofabore · 23/03/2023 10:08

Do you begin to understand yet?

That the terms 'far right' have been used to such a degree that people don't know who someone is referring to. Because what 5-10 years ago was easy to judge as 'far right' has had a huge list of centrist and centre right, even centre left, added to it.

Can you understand why we have been politely asking you to explain who you are talking about?

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I shall say this very simply, so you can't duck out:

Are men in black uniforms sieg-heiling Nazis, or is it unclear, in your view?

And if in your view that isn't enough evidence to prove someone is a Nazi, what kind of evidence would be enough for you?

Can you name any neo-Nazis? Who do you think counts as a Nazi, and why?

Await your reply with interest.

Datun · 23/03/2023 10:19

xxyzz · 23/03/2023 10:13

No, I make no such distinction. Any woman who wants to speak about the damage gender ideology has caused to their child should of course be able to talk about it.

Their politics should be irrelevant.

But this seems a disingenuous question because - as is fairly obvious - no-one knows or is checking the political views of any women speaking (quite rightly).

The women speaking are not the issue - I haven't seen anyone at any point suggesting they are.

The issue is with the bunch of very visible Nazis who turned up, who were very obviously not there for a chat about their children.

What are your views on how best to address this, given you must surely see that their presence is absolutely unhelpful from an optics point of view - and indeed a safety point of view. Having women threatened by TRAs is bad enough - having them.in the middle of a street battle between Nazis and Antifa would be infinitely worse. Especially given the police have a history of not protecting the women adequately at these events.

And no, I'm not asking whose fault it is - the violence is clearly the fault of the violent men. I'm asking what you would do to address these issues?

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But this seems a disingenuous question because - as is fairly obvious - no-one knows or is checking the political views of any women speaking (quite rightly).

they did though.

When Posie went to America, she was hosted by a right-wing group, some of whose children have been affected by the ideology, and that has been used to beat her over the head with ever since.