Let Women SPeak - Australia & NZ tour

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I am so excited that this is coming to Australia - I will hopefully be attending.

Anyone else?

They said they hated KJK and that she was trying to turn everyone lesbian.

Genuinely, can you not read well?

Have you heard of these things called 'polls'?

The looney left are back on it again today I see.

Indeed, interesting where all these posters have suddenly sprung from, who apparently have trouble identifying a bunch of men dressed in black uniforms literally sieg-heiling as actual Nazis or far right, though.

Can you point to where we've struggled with that? I can't recall anyone denying they were Nazis. You are being very dishonest. If this is the level of discussion in soc fem circles then I'm not surprised at how little progress they've made. It's very childish.

I disagree. I had this conversation with a friend in Australia. I reminded her that 3-5 years ago, the UK was in a similar situation.

I also told her that last night a friend from Canberra started to ask me questions about it and I explained. And she was horrifed at the press coverage.

It will take time. Each year though, more research is done and more is known.

This was never going to be a quick process. Not after same sex marriage only being legalised recently. I think people thought it would be a miracle awakening.

No, it was a call to action and Australian women will now go through the process many women who come to this board go through. They will start off as either ‘this cannot be happening, how did it get like this’, to ‘I started out thinking feminists were all just being mean, but then I started noticing things…now I see what you were all saying’.

People need to take their own journey of discovery, they need to form their own opinions. There needs to be voices like KJK, and like Dr Stock, and like Julie Bindel, and like Helen Joyce, and like Dr Emma Hilton.

Because each voice appeals to different people. That is the point everyone misses. I would say all the women I mentioned understand this. That is why Julie Bindel publishes articles where she does.

My son thinks I'm far right because I said that my sister's cross dressing neighbour is a bloke.

It doesn't take much.

It has everything to do with the TRAs and nothing to do with the LWS event. If the TRAs weren't there, the Neo-Nazis wouldn't be there either.

No the communists were a different group.

Well yes but they think the TRAs are the communists. It says they were there to ‘hold the line’ against the ‘communists’ ie the TRAs and protect the ‘members of the public’ at the ‘anti-transgender/anti-grooming rally’ - ie SFW.

So they claim to have been there on the side of SFW to protect against the TRAs. Ofc the language they use is nonsense and they don’t mention women’s rights because it’s all filtered through their Nazi perspective. They don’t care about women’s rights but they see SFW as anti-trans and they are in favour of people being anti-trans. Not from a women’s rights perspective but from the perspective that men should be masculine and in charge and women should be feminine, stay in the home and churn out babies for the fatherland etc.

That the Nazis see an alignment between their views and SFW doesn't have to be Posie’s fault, intention or remotely accurate for it to still be a political problem. It’s still not great as lots of people already think that standing up for women’s rights makes us all Nazis.

This is what it says -
“Here is a short excerpt of some point of view footage taken by National Socialist Network activists holding the line against 300+ Communists who were intent on committing political violence against peacefully protesting members of the public and families at the Parliament House Anti-Transgenderism/Anti-Groomingrally today in Melbourne.”

Enjoy living in fantasy land. The rest of us have to live in the real world, the one in which we will almost certainly have a Labour government in a little over a year. Who will not be persuaded by headlines which link women’s rights and the far right.

You sound like you are gloating about further distruction of women's rights, go you!

Labour seem incapable of being persuaded by logic, reason, data or fairness so I doubt they will even trouble themselves to read a headline about women's rights but they are probably lazy enough to draw conclusions from pictures.

You do know that two things can exist at the same time?

Yes, the actions of the police were dodgy as hell.

AND anyone who cares about women’s rights needs to send out clear messages they have nothing to do with the far right and do not under any circumstances want their supposed 'support'.

Glad that you at least acknowledge that the men there sieg-heiling were actually Nazis and not just right of centre, as has been humorously suggested on this thread.

You might want to tell some of your friends on this thread who struggle with this.

You know what gwrachod? I haven't once seen you talk about the women who are speaking about their experiences. I haven't once seen you highlight a speech, or call attention to an issue. I haven't once seen you congratulate or empathise with these shaking, courageous women standing up and saying in public what's happened to them.

There's no part of you gives any thought to KJK listening to these narratives, day in, day out. Hearing what these women have to say, looking them in the eye when they talk about their lost children.

Do you have any idea what kind of toll that will take on a woman? One with four of her own children?

Have you seen kellie J shaking with rage, and tearful with frustration and powerlessness over what's happening?

It's fucking laughable that you call her a narc. It's just a word that you're slinging about in yet another attempt to smear.

And if you don't want people to think it's jealousy, try telling your cohort to stop banging on, all the bleedin' live long day, about her nails, hair, big house, private education, the money she makes from selling merchandise and that she's really, despite all this, nothing more than a grifter because they have cyber stalked her and she's in a posh hotel on her 'holidays'.

And, one more thing, I would like to know, what you think she could ACTUALLY say to stop people showing up at her rallies???

Perhaps it's escaped your notice, but she's holding these rellies because we can't stop people showing up where they're not wanted.

What are the magic words? Because obviously denouncing it three times isn't enough.

No the communists were a different group.

Possibly, but to that bunch, doesn't "communists" cover both KJK - as a "feminist" - and the TRAs too?

Do we have any indication that they don't think KJK is a communist? They were certainly having a go at her for promoting lesbianism...

Do you think a bunch of men in black uniforms, sieg-heiling, count as far right, in your view?

Or do you still think that's a bit too ambiguous, and they could just a bunch of boy scouts who all just happened to kind of wave at the same time??

And if this isn't sufficient behaviour to classify someone as a Nazi, what the hell is, in your book?

I've asked several posters this, and they suddenly go all quiet and fail to answer, for some reason.

Please do tell. Can't wait.

I suspect somebody will be along in a second to explain the difference between a nazi and a neo nazi.

I suggest if you want a genuine conversation with me, that you might read my posts on this thread.

And then ask me questions.

Because at this time, I am finding I am repeating myself for the sake of people who don't seem to have bothered to read any other posts. And you seem to be confused about discussion that includes reference to before this event (ie. where I said that people have been throwing around the word Nazi and far right. Shall I post Sadiq Khan using those words in the past month as a reference to people who disagree with how he is rolling out ULEZ?) and about this event (where I specifically name and talk about this group's intentions and actions).

Up to you. But I am not about to just recover this ground again because you have taken this one post to make a point about.

AND anyone who cares about women’s rights needs to send out clear messages they have nothing to do with the far right and do not under any circumstances want their supposed 'support'.

Really? I'm not going to do that. You are quite dictatorial, is this your usual behaviour or have you adopted it just for the purpose of ordering posters about today?

I've asked several posters this, and they suddenly go all quiet and fail to answer, for some reason.

And here you highlight the problem perfectly. You have gone from demanding a daily denounciation of Nazis so that the world will be convinced women's rights campaigners are not Nazis or Nazi adjacent to claiming we don't even know what a Nazi is. I know exactly what a Nazis but I'm not sure you do and the point posters are making is that people on the left who demand ideolgical purity have a tendency to brand anyone who doesn't share their world view as far right so what does that even mean anymore.

IT'S NEVER ENOUGH

AND anyone who cares about women’s rights needs to send out clear messages they have nothing to do with the far right and do not under any circumstances want their supposed 'support'.

Do you think someone on the right, or far right, whose child has been damaged by this ideology, should be allowed to speak at posie's rally?

Genuine question.

Can you tell me what is good faith about posting a sin page on a feminist website directed at her?

I think you seem to think that this is 'good faith'. But I disagree with you.

"As others have said, politicians will back off a mile if they think they will be associated with nazis"

What politicians? In the UK? In Australia? If you are talking about in the UK, then what politicians are not already in conversations with the thousands of women who have been emailing and speaking to them? In Australia? What do you know about Australian women and Australian politics?

So, you have no evidence to back up your claims then. Good to know.

What a surprise.

You're not going to accept that the men who attended the event were actual Nazis, or state what in your book could qualify as Nazi or far right if men dressed in black uniforms literally sieg-heiling doesn't qualify, according to you.

I'll draw my own conclusions as to why you want to set the bar so high for anyone to be labelled as far right. As will others.

I've not been to a LWS event, but I'm pretty sure from watching videos you get put in a queue, or you raise your hand and ask to be next to speak. Not rush on stage and take the mic.

Someone will confirm or deny that.

So presumably if I'm right, if this man had wanted to speak he could have done just that.

It's not like other men have never spoken at such events.
Follow the rules and you get your turn.

Barking mad.

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Do you think someone on the right, or far right, whose child has been damaged by this ideology, should be allowed to speak at posie's rally?

Did you read this?

They are misguided through their own lack of research. Should someone have sent out a detailed description of who was going to speak there? Oh ... hang on.... that would be then considered 'talking' to the Nazis!

Honestly. These men are dumb fucks who have no idea about who was there and who was speaking.

Although they probably knew about the fundamental Christians who are apparently there regularly who only loosely agree on children being properly safeguarded.

They turned up to agitate against 'the communists'! Where they spent most of their time while they were at the event. Down facing off with the Victoria Socialists and ANTIFA.