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ZombieMumEB · 2023-02-11T06:41:04+00:00

I am so excited that this is coming to Australia - I will hopefully be attending. Anyone else?

gwrachod · 23/03/2023 08:57

FOJN · 23/03/2023 08:51

The socfems have explained that if KJK has the far right turning up at her events, and she doesn't distance herself from them, then it will harm the political work they are engaged in. Work which is seeing results.

It's a good job that the "work" is seeing results because I'm not.

Rosie Duffield unable to attend her own party conference because of fears for her safety.

A male Labour MP treating a female Conservative MP is a frightengly aggressive and unprofessional way in the HoC, apparently without sanction.

LWD declaration denied a stand (which remained empty) at the Labour party conference.

Keir Starmer refusing to meet with women's groups within the Labour party. I think they have now managed one meeting after asking for 4 years.

I could go on but hopefully you get the picture.

KJK does not call herself a feminist, she has been denounced again and again and again and again by Soc Feminists, if the the misogynists in Labour won't speak to you it's not because of KJK, it's because they hold you in contempt and are looking for an excuse not to work with you. Perhaps you should stop giving them that excuse.

And yet, Kier Starmer has said Self ID will not be a priority for his government. Progress.

I don't argue that Labour has been a huge disappointment. But the women on the ground who are doing with with parties across all political parties say progress is being made. Are you calling them liars?

The socfems say progress is being made on the left, which is put at risk by any perceived links with the far right. Are you calling them liars too?

We have to engage with those who have power, otherwise we'll get nowhere.

Belencha · 23/03/2023 08:59

And again, as I have repeatedly said, the National Socialist Network did not attend in support of women! FFS! Are you seriously here saying those men have ‘aligned’ with what so many women are working for?

That's simply not true.

nilsmousehammer · 23/03/2023 09:00

Ok, trying to make sense of this.

If I do not actively and loudly express prejudice against anyone I see as being 'far right' I am a bad person harming women's interests for equality?

Is that it?

What is the far right? As far as I can see now it's flat out psychological splitting of 'rabidly labour' and 'far right' covering everyone who isn't in That Gang of Righteousness.

I mean do people have to actually do anything to express right wing views? What right wing views exactly? What policies are we talking about? Which active group, enacting beliefs politically with influence?

AlisonDonut · 23/03/2023 09:00

gwrachod · 23/03/2023 08:57

And yet, Kier Starmer has said Self ID will not be a priority for his government. Progress.

I don't argue that Labour has been a huge disappointment. But the women on the ground who are doing with with parties across all political parties say progress is being made. Are you calling them liars?

The socfems say progress is being made on the left, which is put at risk by any perceived links with the far right. Are you calling them liars too?

We have to engage with those who have power, otherwise we'll get nowhere.

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Starmer has said this because of what happened to Nicola Sturgeon.

Not because some feminists asked him behind the scenes.

AlisonDonut · 23/03/2023 09:02

Belencha · 23/03/2023 08:59

And again, as I have repeatedly said, the National Socialist Network did not attend in support of women! FFS! Are you seriously here saying those men have ‘aligned’ with what so many women are working for?

That's simply not true.

That literally says they were there to 'hold the line against communists'.

Nothing to do with women's rights.

Signalbox · 23/03/2023 09:03

When actually it appears you are only interested in support for the far right.

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beastlyslumber · 23/03/2023 09:03

The socfems say progress is being made on the left, which is put at risk by any perceived links with the far right. Are you calling them liars too?

This is nonsense. I don't know if they're liars or just spectacularly ineffective at campaigning. You can't control what other campaign groups or lobbies do. You can't control what the opposition say about you. You can't just do everything right and please everyone and then no one will make up nasty shit about you. That's not how it works.

Politics is dirty and messy and if you are going to fight for something, you need to be prepared for opposition and be tactical. Crying that someone is making it harder for you is just honestly pathetic. You have a goal, get out there and fight for it! You can't expect other people to make it easy for you.

xxyzz · 23/03/2023 09:08

Anactor · 23/03/2023 08:55

XXYZ - oh, right, so an univited bunch of nazis turn up to a protest this thread is discussing - and we all have to drop what we're discussing and denounce the Nazi's.

Great way to disrupt things, isn't it? Stop people discussing what they actually want to discuss and talk about what you want to discuss.

Congratulations on derailing the thread. I'm particularly impressed by your Catch 22 technique of 'if you say this isn't what we want to talk about, that proves you're far-right.'

Have you name-changed to attack me? How cute.

Yes, I am saying that anyone who actually cares about advancing women's rights rather than the far right will understand why it matters that all our hard work is not derailed by unwanted links with the far right.

You've made it clear that you're not prepared to do that and prefer to live in fantasy politics land, where we only ever wish to appeal to the converted or the hard right.

Enjoy living in fantasy land. The rest of us have to live in the real world, the one in which we will almost certainly have a Labour government in a little over a year. Who will not be persuaded by headlines which link women’s rights and the far right.

You can dislike the reality. But you ignore it at women’s peril.

AlisonDonut · 23/03/2023 09:11

xxyzz · 23/03/2023 09:08

Have you name-changed to attack me? How cute.

Yes, I am saying that anyone who actually cares about advancing women's rights rather than the far right will understand why it matters that all our hard work is not derailed by unwanted links with the far right.

You've made it clear that you're not prepared to do that and prefer to live in fantasy politics land, where we only ever wish to appeal to the converted or the hard right.

Enjoy living in fantasy land. The rest of us have to live in the real world, the one in which we will almost certainly have a Labour government in a little over a year. Who will not be persuaded by headlines which link women’s rights and the far right.

You can dislike the reality. But you ignore it at women’s peril.

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And yet all you do...is derail threads pointing people to the far right.

A bit of self reflection here might be worth it.

Be careful though, I had to give up yoga last night lest I be accused of being a racist. Ommm

gwrachod · 23/03/2023 09:13

nilsmousehammer · 23/03/2023 09:00

Ok, trying to make sense of this.

If I do not actively and loudly express prejudice against anyone I see as being 'far right' I am a bad person harming women's interests for equality?

Is that it?

What is the far right? As far as I can see now it's flat out psychological splitting of 'rabidly labour' and 'far right' covering everyone who isn't in That Gang of Righteousness.

I mean do people have to actually do anything to express right wing views? What right wing views exactly? What policies are we talking about? Which active group, enacting beliefs politically with influence?

Fucking hell, give me strength.

We're talking about the actual far right. It's not complicated. If you don't know what that is, try Google.

Astralitzia · 23/03/2023 09:14

AlisonDonut · 23/03/2023 09:02

That literally says they were there to 'hold the line against communists'.

Nothing to do with women's rights.

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Come on now, that's disingenuous in the extreme. It's quite clear they're there to keep counter protestors away from the Let Women Speak event.

FOJN · 23/03/2023 09:14

And yet, Kier Starmer has said Self ID will not be a priority for his government. Progress.

You are not seriously trying to claim this is as a result of behind the scenes negotiations rather than Nicola Sturgeons down fall.

Wow you blame a woman for the Labour party refusing to engage and then erase the woman who is responsible for his shift on this issue.

"Not a priority"is not good enough.

But the women on the ground who are doing with with parties across all political parties say progress is being made. Are you calling them liars?

Absolutely not, women in the conservative party are doing great work and funnily enough they are not being distracted by the TRA sideshow of "TERFs are Nazis". Maybe it's their focus on the issue which is getting results.

The socfems say progress is being made on the left, which is put at risk by any perceived links with the far right. Are you calling them liars too?

If they feel the need to blame someone else for the shit show in the Labour Party then that's their business, the rest of us have no problem hearing Labours great big "fuck you" to women.

They rejected KJK and she has done everything she can to put distance between herself and the soc fems to give them space to work the way they prefer, they have got some fucking cheek to now start policing how she works. Maybe they should have been less obsessed with ideological purity to begin with and kept her inside the tent where she might have been more manageable for them. I'm glad they didn't, she would have been far less effective with soc fem constraints.

xxyzz · 23/03/2023 09:14

WomanXXWorldsOriginsofMothersofAllNations · 23/03/2023 08:44

Well, when TERFs are also apparently Nazis I’m a bit confused about who KJK should be denouncing….

Who here is suggesting TERFS are Nazis?

AlisonDonut · 23/03/2023 09:16

Astralitzia · 23/03/2023 09:14

Come on now, that's disingenuous in the extreme. It's quite clear they're there to keep counter protestors away from the Let Women Speak event.

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They are protesting protesters protesting something that in itself is a protest.

Apparently.

No women's rights mentioned. As if nazis would support women's rights. Are you on glue?

OnlyTheWeedsGrow · 23/03/2023 09:16

How could this not be considered a weapon?

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/03/23/03/69016045-11892755-image-a-18_1679543145837.jpg

FOJN · 23/03/2023 09:17

Come on now, that's disingenuous in the extreme. It's quite clear they're there to keep counter protestors away from the Let Women Speak event.

What all 20 of them, armed with nothing but a banner?

You didn't read their anti feminist statement before the rally did you?

OnlyTheWeedsGrow · 23/03/2023 09:19

From the Canberra Let Women Speak event.

Astralitzia · 23/03/2023 09:20

AlisonDonut · 23/03/2023 09:16

They are protesting protesters protesting something that in itself is a protest.

Apparently.

No women's rights mentioned. As if nazis would support women's rights. Are you on glue?

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It's completely obvious they're referring to Let Women Speak.

AlisonDonut · 23/03/2023 09:20

gwrachod · 23/03/2023 09:13

Fucking hell, give me strength.

We're talking about the actual far right. It's not complicated. If you don't know what that is, try Google.

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Does it concern you that one of the men was the son of a police officer there?

Have you reported your concern that the Australian Police are protecting and encouraging the far right?

Why is it KJK's fault that the Australian policeman's son is a nazi?

Astralitzia · 23/03/2023 09:21

FOJN · 23/03/2023 09:17

Come on now, that's disingenuous in the extreme. It's quite clear they're there to keep counter protestors away from the Let Women Speak event.

What all 20 of them, armed with nothing but a banner?

You didn't read their anti feminist statement before the rally did you?

I didn't need to, I'm responding to the misinterpretation of the photo further up this page and the text therein.

AlisonDonut · 23/03/2023 09:22

Astralitzia · 23/03/2023 09:20

It's completely obvious they're referring to Let Women Speak.

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Not to them it would seem.

So you really think that nazis are for women's rights? That is your take away from this? Even though they didn't stand, listen and clap any women at all?

Datun · 23/03/2023 09:23

DameMaud · 23/03/2023 08:50

Someone posted this a while ago

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Yeah as NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision pointed out. There is a repeating pattern, isn't there? as much as the suffragettes were told they were doing it wrong and to fuck off because they were giving women's rights activists a bad name, that's exactly what is happening to Posie.

Hepwo · 23/03/2023 09:24

Enjoy living in fantasy land. The rest of us have to live in the real world, the one in which we will almost certainly have a Labour government in a little over a year

Well there you go. Sentence 2, meet sentence 1.

Astralitzia · 23/03/2023 09:25

AlisonDonut · 23/03/2023 09:22

Not to them it would seem.

So you really think that nazis are for women's rights? That is your take away from this? Even though they didn't stand, listen and clap any women at all?

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I haven't said they're for women's rights.

I have said it's clear from their own statement that they were there to keep "communist" (TRA) protestors away from the LWS event (which they described as anti-transgender / grooming) and that it's disingenuous to say they weren't there in any capacity to do with the LWS event.

xxyzz · 23/03/2023 09:25

AlisonDonut · 23/03/2023 09:11

And yet all you do...is derail threads pointing people to the far right.

A bit of self reflection here might be worth it.

Be careful though, I had to give up yoga last night lest I be accused of being a racist. Ommm

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Please point to any thread I have 'derailed' talking about the far right.

I have talked about the far right only on threads where that was relevant to the thread.

Curious that you are so keen to censor my speech and prevent any criticism of the far right, though.

Indeed, interesting where all these posters have suddenly sprung from, who apparently have trouble identifying a bunch of men dressed in black uniforms literally sieg-heiling as actual Nazis or far right, though.

Almost as though these posters were trying to minimise the far right and provide proof on social media of MN and the gender critical being supportive of the far right.

Or of course it could all just be a massive coincidence!