Let Women SPeak - Australia & NZ tour

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I am so excited that this is coming to Australia - I will hopefully be attending.

Anyone else?

"as it is empowering actual Neo Nazis to think they can align themselves with the gender critical movement"
I have added this to my big list of things KJK is doing wrong. Thanks!

Omg wtf 😂

“Wild moment @ SenatorThorpe
tries to storm the stage where Kellie-Jay Keen is speaking.”

https://mobile.twitter.com/StandingforXX/status/1638711951504158721

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11892755/Lidia-Thorpe-tries-storm-stage-Kellie-Jay-Keen-aka-Posie-Parker-speaking-Canberra.html

Absolutely agree, @Minirrriot

Am very suspicious of any poster telling women not to denounce the far right. You don't have to be 'socialist' to object to the far right, you just have to be normal.

I don't know much about Australian politics. But I do know about UK politics. And I know, as we all do, that we are almost guaranteed to have a Labour government here soon. A Labour government led by someone who has made vague noises that he might be starting to walk back his strongly pro-TWAW stance.

But there is literally NOTHING more likely to stop that process on its tracks and make it completely impossible for Starmer to discreetly reverse ferret, than a slew of headlines linking women’s rights activism with the far right.

Really, this is just common sense. (As well as a moral imperative.) Anyone who genuinely cares about women’s rights in the UK will be wanting to steer absolutely as far away as possible from ANY conceivable link to the far right, real or perceived. And yes, that must absolutely include denouncing any stray members of the far right who try to forced-team onto our events or people.

Be very, very suspicious of ANYONE who claims that far right support is no big deal, or even a positive. They do not have women’s best interests at heart.

Even if you are a single-issue person and don't care about the far right's desire to ban abortion, or about their misogyny or racism, you should certainly care that their support will be the kiss of death for ANY chance of a future Labour government changing its current stance on gender ideology.

You can either support women’s rights. Or you can support the far right. There is no way you can support both. Or even look the other way. If you care about women’s rights, you need to be denouncing the far right. Loud and clear. Every. Single. Time.

What’s good event in Canberra. Highly recommend watching the YouTube stream for the moment when a female TRA takes the microphone and is ends up storming off when she’s asked why a man with a penis should be in a female space.

Why are you saying "a group of socialist feminists don't want her (KJK) to be associated with the far right?".

Minirriot, you are not quoting Helleofabore correctly. What she said was “ a group of socialist feminists want her to be not associated with them.”. I’m pretty sure Helle meant the socfems don’t want KJ to be associated with themselves.

We know the socfems wanted KJK to dissapear back in 2018, and have born a grudge ever since that she didn’t. I think that is what Helle is referring to, rather than suggesting that the socfems din’t want KJ associated with the far right.

For what it’s worth, I think the socfems would be delighted if KJ did actually associate herself with an assortment of extreme neonazi undesirables. It would save them having to invent so many lies.

What a bizarre post.

Why would socialist feminists want KJK to associate with neo-Nazis? Have you not seen all the attacks on all feminists - including particularly left-wing ones - by eg Owen Jones, claiming the left-wing feminists are pro-Nazi too?

Can you not see that any brush tarring KJK tars everyone who is GC?

I find it hard to believe anyone who genuinely cares about women’s rights would suggest this.

The only people who will benefit from an association between GC women and neo-Nazis is neo-Nazis.

With a Labour government pretty much guaranteed in the UK shortly, the one thing guaranteed to ensure they are unable to quietly reverse-ferret away from their recent pro-gender ideology stance is any suggested link between the GC position and the far right.

I am VERY, VERY suspicious of anyone minimising the risk of forced teaming with the far right. Cui bono?

Certainly not women.

Er...if someone doing a Sieg Heil isn't a 'real' Nazi in your book, what exactly do you require as proof of being a real Nazi??

Do you think they have a special Nazi certificate or something?

I’d like to thank Lidia Thorpe for ensuring this will be on the news tonight.

I've just started watching. The first young woman, she didn't give a name, is physically shaking but she is there and she is speaking and I'm am moved again by the courage of the women who speak at these events. I hope she walks away feeling proud of herself and a little bit less alone.

I don't know how anyone can listen to KJK think she's in this for self publicity, she is incandescent about the harm being done to children. No one thinks KJK is hard up, as far as I can tell she had a very comfortable life and was a SAHM before all this happened, why the hell would she put herself in the firing line? She knows she is insulated from the worst consequences of this ideology but she does this anyway and I think it's because she feels she has to.

Why do you think women have been saying to KJK she should denounce the far right? You're not going to deny that's been happening, are you?

Why are you ignoring the link, which quoted her as saying that she was bewildered that they still exist in 2023?

Why do you persist in lying, saying that she hasn't denounced them?

Because she has, again, this week.

What do you want her to do? Chant publicly "I abhor Nazis and all their works and words. I stand against Nazis. Nazis are not welcome at my events." every day, on a livestream.

Get a grip!

From the daily mail article linked up thread.
Those bad women wanting to protect children!

"Attendees antagonised pro-trans demonstrators by holding signs which read 'tomboys are not boys', 'protest the innocence of children' and 'libraries are for books, not perversion'.

On the other side, slogans included 'bigots in the bin', 'f* off Posie, fk off' and 'you've got Nazis on your side'."

KJK has stated publically on several occassions that she abhors Nazis.

The Nazis themselves have stated publically that they abhor KJK.

This is all evidenced with screenshots and recordings.

Yet for some reason, the same few posters keep namechanging to tell us how terrible it is that KJK won't denounce Nazis and Nazis support KJK.

Can't you read? Have you got some kind of mental block (brainwashing?) that stops you being able to understand simple words?

Obviously you think that trying to associate KJK with Nazis is the best tactic you have to discredit and silence her. But because it's just an outright lie, it's going to come back and smack you in the face. Ever heard the expression, the truth will out? It really, really will. So go ahead and keep pouring vitriol and lies over every thread here. It only leads more and more women to the truth.

Sorry not read the whole thread but coming on to say that, irrespective of the good work Posie has done, the optics of this antipodean visit are really not great and will cement in people's and politician's minds a very unhealthy link between Nazis and those women pushing for a halt to gender identity ideology.

It's not true and it's not fair but unfortunately that's not what matters. KJK needs to be much more vehement in her rejection of them as this is currently giving the TRAs so much fodder that will undo hard fought-for progress.

With a Labour government pretty much guaranteed in the UK shortly, the one thing guaranteed to ensure they are unable to quietly reverse-ferret away from their recent pro-gender ideology stance is any suggested link between the GC position and the far right.

So, of all the wicked things KJK has done over the years she should now consider herself responsible for Labour not doing a u turn on self ID?

KJK needs to be much more vehement in her rejection of them as this is currently giving the TRAs so much fodder that will undo hard fought-for progress.

KJK has said she "abhors" Nazis. How much more vehement do you want her to be, ffs? How much progress will be undone by her not being more vehement, in your opinion? What progress do you think will be undone?

You can't silence the women who have already spoken. Their words and ideas are out there now, doing their work.

the sad thing is, here we are talking about these young MALE idiots, who may or may not be actual nazis (or just attention-seeking wee bams which is what they looked like to me)

This entire thread is now taken up with discussions about those young MEN, which is exactly what they want. They came to a Let Women Speak event, where the focus should quite rightly be on the Women, Speaking, Lettage Thereof. These young MEN sought attention, attention has been delivered by the bucketload, mission accomplished.

The MEN didn't even have to do anything except put some black clothes on and make some naughty hand signals (which are actually banned in many countries, but no AU apparently).

Let Women Speak

With a Labour government pretty much guaranteed in the UK shortly, the one thing guaranteed to ensure they are unable to quietly reverse-ferret away from their recent pro-gender ideology stance is any suggested link between the GC position and the far right.

Well then, maybe the AGCL should stop suggesting there's a link, then.

Yet for some reason, the same few posters keep namechanging to tell us how terrible it is that KJK won't denounce Nazis and Nazis support KJK.

Can't you read? Have you got some kind of mental block (brainwashing?) that stops you being able to understand simple words?

She has to denounce them in a way that she admits she's responsible for them. (Someone's comparator above was Trump telling his supporters not to do something.)

If she denounces them while saying they're nothing to do with her, she's not admitting her guilt properly.

This is a sort of struggle session thing.

With a Labour government pretty much guaranteed in the UK shortly, the one thing guaranteed to ensure they are unable to quietly reverse-ferret away from their recent pro-gender ideology stance is any suggested link between the GC position and the far right.

Then you should stop giving the suggestion oxygen and treat it with the contempt it deserves. If it wasn't accusation about women associating with the far right it would be something else, it is nothing more than an attempt to silence us. We should not feel compelled to expend energy repeatedly denying things which are not true, that is exactly what they want, it's a diversionary tactic which shifts the focus from the harm caused by gender ideology onto the morality of the people opposing it.

Is it more important to say it's wrong to sterilise children or to keep reiterating you are not a Nazi after you have already done so several times?

”Why are you saying " a group of socialist feminists don't want her (KJK) to be associated with the far right?". That seems a weird thing to say, surely no gender critical person wants KjK to be associated with the far right? Unless they don't think the far right are scum.”

If you had read my other posts before that, you might have noticed me asking about who was considered the ‘far right’?

You might have noticed I said that ‘far right’ and ‘Nazi’ is thrown around so much that it is now meaningless.

So, I am glad you asked the question. No. I don’t want KJK to be associated with ‘the far right’. But please go back and see my point that currently ‘the far right’ seems to mean anything to the ‘right’ of socialism. Centrists have been accused of being ‘far right’ by some people.

Have I explained my point better? Feel free to ask me further.

Hahaha. You see her crawling off dead fast. That is a senator crawling across the muddy grass.

couldn’t make this shit up

I think it's important to do both.

Of course our key messages should be about women’s and children's safety and rights.

But you’re just being naive if you think that anyone is going to hear that message if there are pictures of men sieg-heiling in the images - which let's face it, is what most people will see (the headline and the picture - most won't even read the articles).

So yes, I the real world, the one where we care about having a positive impact, not just the one where a bunch of women get to speak but no-one can hear them, either literally or metaphorically, over the shouting from/about Nazis, DOES require us to surgically remove all Nazis from our vicinity and absolutely stress our dislike if them and everything they stand for.

You might not like it, and nor do I, but it's the only way our ideas will get any oxygen. The longer we hold back on this, the less anyone will hear anything we actually have to say.

You can choose to ignore reality. And preach only to the converted. That won't however make the wider world, who don’t already agree with you, agree with you, or disappear!