Let Women SPeak - Australia & NZ tour

[ZombieMumEB]

I am so excited that this is coming to Australia - I will hopefully be attending.

Anyone else?

”Seriously, this is like arguing with TRAs. You're in so deep, you'll twist anything so you don't have to accept the reality of the situation.”

Is this projection?

Because you have produced no evidence.

You have made claims that seem to be ambiguous, yet you insist that readers believe you.

Your posts lack logic. You claim warnings were made. Warnings of what? That men who want to shout down, assault and generally silence women would be there?

Well! fuck! Who the fuck do you think didn’t expect that!! Men from ALL political beliefs. Yet you seem only to be concerned about this ambiguous ‘fat right’! And if you have been in this for the past year, you would know anyone other than the socialist left is now being accused of being Nazis and far right. Even Sadiq khan uses the term to mean ‘anyone who disagrees with him’.

Yet you expect people to take you at face value?

At this stage, it seems like projection from someone who has their own deep prejudice. I am really keen to work out the truth of what happened.

You on the other hand are overly keen to make accusations you don’t seem to be able to support either in logic or in actual evidence.

Also, Parliament House is in the Parliamentary Triangle, which is managed by the Australian Capital Authority, not the ACT Government. To be honest, I'm not sure how that will affect the security arrangements.

Why do you think women have been saying to KJK she should denounce the far right? You're not going to deny that's been happening, are you?

What do you think we've been concerned about happening?

I hadn’t even looked where it was being held. If it is at Parliament House, surely that would be a AFP jurisdiction?? (Supposition on my part though, so ignore me)

Does anyone else worry that the way the terms "far right", "fascist" and "Nazi" are flung around with abandon will lead to a situation where we don't recognise the real far right, fascists and Nazis when they turn up? There are far too many boys crying "wolf" at the moment.

Did you see that she denounced Nazis and far right back in 2019?

Tell me, how often do you want her to denounce them?

If you didn’t know she’s denounced them in 2019, isn’t that your own lack of knowledge?

I think it has got to that stage already sadly.

Just like banning the swastika means these men dress in black with no symbols visible. So as Angie Jones said, she thought they were Antifa in black bloc.

That's right. They want the women to stop talking.

This is why none of it makes any sense. No one truly believes that she is in league with the far right or Nazis. It's crap.

She Let's women speak. These women are from all, any or no political persuasion. The only thing that unites them is their experience at the hands of trans ideology.

The only people for whom that is a liability is transactivists.

By the way, has anyone who is saying she was ‘warned’ shown who was doing the ‘warning’? Was it feminists and women involved in bullying her? Keen to portray her as ‘a liability’? Keen to get her to STFU?

Indeed. Given the police presence, being 'warned' that unsavoury types are trying to stop your event is not going to make you stop your event!

Odd that people are annoyed it didn't, tbh.

1 KJK / PP has been a long time activist, not necessarily claiming to be a feminist, against sex being claimed as an identity by men
2 A lot of women found it easier to respond and get involved with her activities than the hierarchical organisations who adopted traditional male left practices, that allowed only a few women a voice
3 Some of these hierarchical women were offended that someone less "political" than them was attracting more women than they were, and that because of her free speech policy it could happen that some who attended or spoke could be said to be right wing (are only left wing women allowed to be fighting for their sex based rights?)
4 These hierarchical women also needed to please the men in their heads (ie their socialist bros) that they were not in anyway like KJK / PP
5 So they posted lots of grandstanding statement about how women should never work with right wing groups and "stitched" together evidence that KJK / PP did
6 Antifa males (and student incels) swooped on the opportunity to "legitimately" silence women and started demonstrating, often with violence against LWS events
7 Right wing men delighted at the chance of a bit of bother against the male left turned up to demonstrate against Antifa (having no real interested in anything women might want to say)
8 So two groups of men combined to silence women, making sure, yet again that women's voice, women's experiences are not heard
9 This happened because a very small group of women unable to attract other women to their politics decided to set the left misogynists on women who wanted a chance to speak
10 Effectively a group of women who think they are properly left have conspired with men of both left and right to silence and intimidate women, as the Daily Mail article clearly illustrates
11 Their corrupt behaviour is illustrated by the fact that other socialist women groups have been easily able to support the right of women to speak even though not likeing KJK / PP politics or lack of them
12 So it turns out the real collaborators with violent men are women who are too afraid not to be liked by men, so will happily send women into the firing line to prove to these men that their primary allegiance is to men / men's politics.

Dedecated to WPUK and AGCL

So instead of answering my question in good faith - why do you think we've been banging on about denouncing the far right - you're going to act as if you don't know this has been a feature of the last 6 months or so.

And yes, if you run an event in 2022 and the far right show up, 2019 is too long ago and it's time to tell them to fuck off, again. HTH.

Wow, that's some narrative!

It's much simpler than that. If you don't want the far right to show up at your gigs, don't go on far right media, repeatedly, don't repeat far right talking point.

If they do show up, tell them to fuck off in no uncertain terms.

It's not rocket science.

There's no plot by left wing feminists, and the characterisation of them as jealous is a fucking joke. You're being used. That narrative is straight out of the narc handbook.

"They've got it in for me, it's because they're jealous". Jessica Taylor says the same things, another narc grifter who exploits women.

Datun If I'm charitable, this reminds me of a children's history book I read as a child. This book said that the actions of the Suffragettes delayed women getting the vote, and women actually got the vote as a reward for working so hard during WWI. The moral lesson seemed to be that they should have only written polite letters to ministers, while hoping for a world war to break out so they could earn the vote. Women weren't entitled to demand it as a right, and it was for men to gift it.

Obviously, at the time, I believed this fully, and felt very cross with the Pankhursts for sabotaging women; today I think it was a leetle more complex than that.

But if you do believe that all those women who took direct action were letting their sisters down by not leaving it solely to the suffragists, then I see why you might have an issue with KJK.

But if you don't have an issue with the WSPU's actions in campaigning for the vote, then let me remind you that KJK has never endorsed sending letter bombs. She just goes everywhere to talk, regardless of physical threats from men. Incidentally, the WSPU did exactly that too. Their documents from the time describe the violent men that gathered to suppress their meetings.

Angie Jones was aware back in December.

Why do I, personally, think women have been telling her to denounce the far right?

Because a group of socialist feminists want her to be not associated with them. Hell, they even have a sin page on their website listing her sins!

Because that group of women were then not satisfied that she said fine, I am happy doing my own thing and then leaving her to doing her own thing. They needed to vilify her some more.

I have seen the emotive arguments. Had them lobbed at me over the past few days. ‘Don’t I know how much harder it is for me (the poster) to talk to my MP because of her?’ Well actually, I have been emailing my MP from before KJK became known, and you know what, they still use the same reasoning and dismissal. Do you know what has helped? More women from my electorate emailing the MP. Women who are encouraged to do so partly because KJK encourages them to do so!

And then I was asked, didn’t I know how much harder it is to talk to the school since KJK was responsible for feminists getting known as being aligned with the far right ? To which I replied that I have found evidence to present to my school and discuss things with them rationally used evidenced discussion points. From multiple women’s groups and including information I have heard from women speaking at SFW rallies!

Shall I go on with the highly emotive and manipulative and also unevidenced accusations that have been lobbed at me in the past few days? Or do you get the idea?

There is a place for all voices. You have stated your opinion. It has no evidence to support it. You have made clear you have a prejudiced view of a woman and this has made you think that everyone is against you that answers.

No. We are pointing out you have no evidence for the claims you have made. Your claims seem to be the same ones I have seen from a group of socialist feminists who seem to have crossed over to having personal grudges that from what I see is based on misrepresentation and conveniently reframing of what has been said to avoid the fact that other ‘approved’ feminists have also said things about the topics they are said are hateful.

Your claims sound very similar and yet you believe we should accept your claims at face value. Or else what? You are going to call us worshippers? You are going to say we are the wrong sort of feminists?

Do you really think we have not heard it all before? From TRAs?

That is not referencing the Melbourne SFW March event in the message ? Weren’t Melbourne women already meeting? And indeed had experienced an disabling assault from TRAs late last year?

Do you have something where she states that she means for this event?

And would you care to then say why on video she stated she and other Marshalls turned away from the men as they judged them not threatening as the police let them through? If she knew the National Socialist Network were likely to come, why didn’t she recognise them and demand the police have them removed immediately?

There are inconsistencies here. And if you have evidence that clears it up, please do post it.

gwrachod

I don't think I read far-right media, so I am going to need you to tell me what these far right talking points are, that you say she repeats. Are the far-right known for worrying about health outcomes for children placed on development inhibiting drugs?

If she repeats far-right talking points, why do this batch of men that turned up think she is far left? Why does this batch of australians think she's undermining the future of white people as a demographic?

And finally, the main reason anyone thinks her detractors are jealous of KJK, is because of how those detractors act! Stop telling KJK to take responsibility for the actions of adult men, while excusing a totally different bunch of adults from responsibility for how they're perceived!

I don't know if KJK has ever made the observation (she may or may not- but I haven't heard her), but adult women are totally capable of judging posts and tweets without phoning her first. And they are.

Can you tell us who the ‘far right’ is? I have asked this before.

And you tell me off for ‘not answering you’ yet you have dismissed iwanttoretires post in this way.

You talk about good faith yet I have seen no evidence of it in your posts.

But please explain, who exactly are the ‘far right’. And who is the ‘far right media’?

Not really. It's too pathetic.

It's a flailing defense mechanism. An admission of nothing else to say.

And what could they say? That men can do what they want?

When women say men can't do whatever they want without consent, there is only angry flailing about womens consent they can reach for.

So they do. Flail around angrily.

Thanks for proving our point.

Umm…you know fascists and nazis (neo or otherwise) aren’t the same, right?

<<runs, hides, laughs at an otherwise depressing thread>>

When did politics become a binary, anyway? Or possibly a unary. When I was a child, it was a spectrum. Now everyone seems to be "far right".

Where are the people in between the centre and the "far right"? Like, the near right? In fact, is there even a centre any more?

So how often should she denounce this ambiguous ‘far right’?

I believe she stated that she had no affiliations with far right groups after Brighton. She was clear that she had no idea who those people from Heart of Oak, or whoever they are, were.

How often should she do this denouncing? If she did it in 2019, again last year, 2022, and now again this week, 2023. What is the frequency you will be happy with?

Did you answer why you are focused on vilifying Kellie Jay Keen and not the protestors who intimidate women, assault women and silence women?

Did you also note that those same protestors have done the same with other women’s groups? What is the difference? Why aren’t you calling these protestors out?

What you think Kellie Jay Keen denouncing a group of men from
the far right will do? Stop them coming?

Stop the accusations that women are Nazis? Stop the silencing attempts of women?

Canberra live stream
https://www.youtube.com/live/-jdc2XfJLns?feature=share

Delighted to see so many women speaking in Canberra today and the trans activists being held back (so far).