Let Women SPeak - Australia & NZ tour

[ZombieMumEB]

I am so excited that this is coming to Australia - I will hopefully be attending.

Anyone else?

gwrachod

Australian women knew they were likely to turn up and told KJK.

Really? Do you have any evidence to support that? Also, what's your opinion on the Police simply allowing them to approach the rally, despite having no permit?

She refused to do anything about it e.g. denounce the nazis.

That's an outright lie, as you'd know, if you'd have read the thread and followed the links to her words of denunciation.

Dr Victoria Fielding, of Australia. Victoria says:

Emily is a woman and you don’t get to decide she isn’t. You don’t get to decide what anyone else does with their life. I really don’t understand why you think you do.

This was in literal reply to the screenshot I posted above. Now call me a purity spiralling knitter if you like, but when someone tells me about a terrorist, I never say "you don't get to decide what anyone else does with their life". Because when someone wants to plant bombs, I think I bloody do get to decide that they can't do that.

Please not a medical doctor?

Now that the neo Nazis have turned up and she knows not denouncing them may mean she's not allowed into NZ, she's done it, sure.

But I'm talking about before the fact.

You will be well aware that women have been advising KJK she needs to warn the far right off, for months, and she - and her followers - have been outrageously rude to us.

We weren't saying it for fun, or because of jealousy or whatever. We were trying to talk about political strategy and not walking heading into own goals.

But KJK doesn't want to listen. So we're now discussing fucking Nazis are women's events. Fucking great.

Please don't insult my intelligence, or your own, by pretending they're there entirely by accident and it's nothing to do with KJK spending time appearing on far right media, or using far right talking points.

Please at least have the decency to recognise this is exactly what we were cautioning you all about.

Dr Victoria Fielding has a PhD in communication and media

Gosh.

Maybe the process of gaining her phd was a bit like how I forgot everything I'd learnt about chemistry, approximately half an hour after I and my class had sat the final paper.

So no evidence that she was warned specifically about the National Socialist Network coming?

just warnings in general about the ‘far right’?

And do you believe like a another poster, maybe on another thread.. they have melded into one another, that if she posted a statement saying ‘Nazis don’t come to our event please’, and denounced them beforehand that the Nazis would not have come?

Despite the fact that the National socialist network came to antagonise the Victorian socialists, Antifa and trans people and to discredit the feminists?

So you have no evidence of what the warnings contained?

Far right talking points? Which ones?

Australian women knew they were likely to turn up and told KJK.

Did they? I didn’t tell her that.

Please don't insult my intelligence, or your own, by pretending they're there entirely by accident and it's nothing to do with KJK spending time appearing on far right media, or using far right talking points.

We know why they turned up. To sabotage KJK. They said so. They think she is a lesbian radical feminist who wants to discourage white people from having children. She doesn't seem to have appeared in anything they actually watch, does she?

😂 they think she is a marxist. They think she is far left!

I assume (always dangerous!) she has been given security briefings ahead of her events and, for the first time, someone mentioned the Australian Federal Police. So she made the (very reasonable) assumption they would be present alongside the (non-existent) Canberra Police.

Listen to yourself, seriously.

Me: "KJK was warned that nazis might come"

You: "But which nazis, exactly? Was she warned about these specific ones?"

What difference does it make which far right nut jobs? Fucking hell.

Seriously, this is like arguing with TRAs. You're in so deep, you'll twist anything so you don't have to accept the reality of the situation.

Stop projecting who you want KJK to be onto her and wake up and smell the coffee. She's a liability.

I know she was told the nazis might turn up, because Australian women have told me this personally, and also posted online, that they warned KJK that this could happen. But no, I'm not going to trawl the internet looking for proof at this time of night. It should be enough that the women in the UK have been saying for months that this is likely to happen.

Now it has, you're pretending like it's a coincidence. - it's not a surprise to us. Is it a surprise to you, really?

I just watched the break down video again. Angie Jones organised much of this event. She is saying in the video that the marshalls, including her, watched the men and then when they seemed to not be a threat and the police were not reacting, they just turned away to monitor the standing for women crowd.

Either Angie is lying and she knew to expect National Socialist Network, and would have done her research and seen they seem to wear those clothes in their photos, or someone else is lying and did not warn the women organising that the National Socialist Network was planning to come.

Without evidence to the contrary, why should we think that Angie is lying saying she did not know which group the men belonged to?

Making ambiguous warnings of ‘the far right is attending ‘ is meaningless. It could have referred to the fundamental Christian that was using a loudspeaker there in the video footage. It could have referred to the anti vax group that was also there because they are apparently always there and have a permit too.

It could also just be referring to any other conservative group that gets labelled as ‘far right’. Because the term is now meaningless.

And because ‘far right’ has become so meaningless, warnings that are not specific are meaningless.

So evidence please.

It is never a surprise to me that violent men hijack other people's events. It is a matter of court record that a football hooligan lives a few doors away from me. (Does this mean I'm a football holligan btw?) After prosecution, he's been banned from attending matches.

But we're not cancelling future fixtures because of him or the rest of the gang that got tried alongside him. Nor is anyone blaming our team manager for making this guy turn up in the first place.

@gwrachod
How can you call KJK a liability?

She may be feminist-ing the way you think is best but surely you can’t deny what she has done to raise the profile of women’s rights in Australia? The country is well behind the UK on this issue and has a lot of catching up to do. But, thanks to Kellie-Jay, there is a conversation and growing awareness.

A front page article linking feminists to nazis is not a win, it's a disaster.

(It doen't matter what the truth or the nuance of the situation is, that's lost on most casual readers).

Do you really think people will read ‘a front page article linking feminists to nazis’, and think ‘Oh, those terrible feminists! Women should be seen and not heard! Let’s put them all back in their boxes!’

For the record, I don’t.

It matters because the women did not realise they were Nazis until they saluted.

Yes. Seriously!

Tell us, what should the organisers have done that they did not already do? They worked with the police. They had security. They had marshalls.

”You're in so deep, you'll twist anything so you don't have to accept the reality of the situation”

On the contrary. I am trying to ascertain the reality of the situation I have asked you for evidence because you seem to have made a claim that is not substantiated by the organiser.

”I know she was told the nazis might turn up, because Australian women have told me this personally, and also posted online, that they warned KJK that this could happen. But no, I'm not going to trawl the internet looking for proof at this time of night. It should be enough that the women in the UK have been saying for months that this is likely to happen.”

So, again. No evidence of specific threats and none of these women though to contact the Australian organiser of the event directly?

Do you think about how often she must get told genetically ‘Nazis / fascists will turn up’ from other women who want her to stop her rallies?

i notice you have pivoted to ‘could happen’?

”Now it has, you're pretending like it's a coincidence”

What is a coincidence though?

That a group of men turned up to antagonise Antifa, the Victorian Socialists and trans people?

Why the fuck aren’t you taking it up with the men that have no self control of their impulses to attend rallies they are not invited to?

Why has this become something to blame women for? That men , of any political persuasion or agenda cannot stop intimidating women, cannot stop trying to force women to stop speaking?

Now that the neo Nazis have turned up and she knows not denouncing them may mean she's not allowed into NZ, she's done it, sure.

As you probably know, she's been approved for NZ.

As for being warned, you have failed to provide any evidence to support your claim.

In any case, so what? Should she shut up and piss off? Should she and her supporters not say their piece, in case they turn up? Why do you want to silence her?

As for the front pages, they're propaganda and lies, as you'd know, if you'd followed any of the links here.

As an Australian women, I don’t either.

Strange how we are being told what Australian women think.

Who is she meant to be a liability to? Certainly not the numerous women who she supports, platforms and allows to speak.

From every walk of life, and every country she visits. Regardless of their politics, educational standard, or level of articulation.

Women who would otherwise have no voice. She projects their narrative, experiences and pain across social media from one end of the Internet to the other.

They love her for it.

And definitively not the thousands of women who buy her merchandise. Nor the women on here, who support her and think she's doing bloody well in the teeth of rampant misogyny.

So it looks like it's just you gwrachod, TRAs in general and a couple of twattish posters who show up here regularly after yet another name change.

Yeah. That could well be right. I just thought it was odd when I heard her say it. Strangely I told someone yesterday that in Canberra she would have the AFP there. So I did think I had missed something.

Canberra Police is part of the AFP, but they report to the ACT Government.

https://www.police.act.gov.au/about-us/structure

Datun, I'd never consciously thought of it like that.

This is it. If KJK is a liability, then every single woman she works with is a liability. Every woman who attends her events is a liability. Every woman who buys t-shirts, mugs or stickers is a liability.

You're entitled to think that all those women are liabilities who should buzz off and should sit down and leave campaigning to wiser heads like yours. But be honest about it, yeah? Say, "I don't want her helping women like you to speak up". I mean, we're picking up on that anyway, so you may as well be direct.