Keir Starmer confirms Labour will push ahead with self ID (7th Feb 2023)

[Thelnebriati]

Despite everything that has happened over the past few days;

Ben Bradshaw
''A warm welcome for @ Keir_Starmer as he recommits to reforming the UK’s out of date gender recognition process at tonight’s @ LGBTLabour @ LGBTHM
reception in Parliament''

twitter.com/BenPBradshaw/status/1623032232284721189

@watchfulwishes it took them DECADES to get to 50% pro. To drop that much in a month is significant

twitter.com/gracebrodie/status/1622638694606700554?s=46&t=zGZl-DdMuf6_UT7CbAChiQ

Keir was right, we have made so much progress, but there is still so much more to do

What, specifically? I checked, but they fail to spell it out...

It's good of him to let us know. His 'fuck you' to women is duly noted and will inform my voting choice. I feel it would be rude not to reciprocate so fuck you to Starmer. Wonder if he looks the mother of his children in the eye and tells her it's complex? Wanker.

He didn't say they are pushing forward with self id. The current debacle is happening under a tory govt so yes the gender recognition process does need updating.

For those of you who believe in polls, I'll just leave this here.

I think it's madness on the part of Labour especially with the boundary changes coming up. His poll lead may not be quite so solid when they happen. It is estimated that the Tories could gain 13 seats and Labour lose 2 due to these. They are due to be published by 1st July and have to be implemented within 4 months.

Bye bye Labour. Thanks for condemning us to more Tory rule by being unelectable. Again. Bastards.

Well thats left me with no one to vote for. I cannot vote for the shitshow current government, and Labour, Greens and Lib Dems are all committed to trans insanity. It will have to be 'none of the above' as a protest.

I can't vote for them. They have been too dismissive for too long and no u turn will be enough now. They are so unintelligent and so groupthink authoritarian about it all.

I'm not sure that Starmer actually wants to win this one, what with the state of the NHS, the coffers being empty and trade difficulties with the EU, not to mention the Northern Ireland Protocol.

Nobody could do well with that bucket of shite and Labour would end up being blamed for all the failings of the previous lot.

Pretending not to know what a woman is, especially in light of recent events, could be a deliberate ploy by him.

I've wondered the same.
I don't see how Labour are going to be the saviours that people want them to be and I wonder if they don't even want to win at this point.
TBH, who would want to inherit the current shitshow?

I am hearing a parallel argument. Rishi planning to keep a low profile and get on with business: NI protocol, sex based rights, immigration particularly the Albanian gangs organising the small boats, Scottish devolution etc. He loses, but not by much leaving Labour to flounder and him in control of the party. Voted back in with a bigger majority which enables him to push ahead on a growth oriented, technology driven agenda.

Who knows. The latest economic data seems to be falling in his favour, and he was 'lucky' in the timing of the Scottish rapist case. If the war in the Ukraine comes to an end, stopping that drain on the public finance he will have a bit of money to play with and might even pull off a victory at the next election.

The main reason people give for voting Labour is that they are not the Tories. This is not enough. What do they stand for? Even more bizarre that he has chosen the gender issue as the point at which to get off the fence. Even the timing is off.

Lol, the idea that Labour are going to use reform of the GRA to improve things for women is laughable.

Labour are going to sound like idiots in the next election regarding gender. The conservatives are going to sound sane, but insincere.

Labour is going to have a LGBTQI+ policy, but at this point is seems impossible to find one that pleases LGBT groups that doesnt impact negatively on women and children. I suppose they can try to spin it that these policies are positive for women and keep crossing their fingers hoping nothing makes it newsworthy at election time.

If Labour quietly made it clear that they had gone too far, they saw the errors in their stance on self-ID and gender generally and they were going to drop it, Twitter would explode, most people of both sexes and all ages would be greatly relieved, the whole thing would die down in a matter of days and they could get on with trying to look like a government in waiting.
But they’re captured, in thrall to the cult, and this will not happen.

Yes if Labour would at the very least acknowledge the glaringly obvious negative consequences of self id it would give me some hope. But no, we get nothing.

Surely this is the only reason 😁.

Please could any one of the many posters on here who have said that ‘all parties agree GRA need reform’ tell me exactly what this government of the past 13 years has said needs reform? And what they have done about this?

The Tories have done NOTHING to reform the GRA. They have had the opportunity to show us in office what they would do for women. They have done FUCK. ALL to help women.

Theresa May government had an enquiry to look into it, WHICH WANTED TO INTRODUCE SELF ID, and then that idea was left untouched only because they realised it was electoral cat sick.

Meanwhile schools and prisons and workplaces and public toilets and women’s sports all continue suffer due to this Tory government’s LACK of reform for GRA and of the equality act. If you care about these issues then please make sure you go on the petitions section and find the links to sign them.

Based on their record of complete inertia I don’t understand why anyone would vote Tory on this single issue?

The Tory party in power for over a decade have done nothing for the cause you say you care about. Whereas they have been busy fucking up the economy with Brexit and the horrendous handling of pandemic and now the cost of living emergency which disproportionately affects women and children. That’s their actual record. For all ‘Boris knows what a woman is’ did he do anything to help? No. We’ll have to see what Rishi achieves for all ‘knowing what a woman is’. He has the power now.

If Starmer opens up the GRA which if in power I think realistically he would find reasons not to do, such would be the toxicity of the issue… and having seen how this has gone for Scotland… then the Lords and many in his own party would absolutely not allow things like self ID through when it came down to it because they can clearly see how unpopular with the public it is, and anti-safeguarding.

Pllus the Gender Recognition Act does need reform in other areas so in that sense Kier Starner is absolutely right- for example GRA doesn’t allow for pregnancy and birth which is unworkable and discriminatory against biological women. It doesn’t allow for GRA holders to change their minds, which makes a mockery of the whole sexist, homophobic idea that you can ‘change your legal sex’. It leaves detransitoned people in a really bad legal and social situation. Again sexist discrimination. It makes a mess of the data collecting which public spending is based on which will adversely impact everyone. And so on.

Plus since any proposed law change of this kind will be open to public consultation at that point all the arguments for scrapping the Act completely can be made. Which will move the dial. So I want the GRA reopened and this will not be achieved any time soon by voting Tory.

What happened "for the many not the few" ? Utter load of bollocks

I've said it before but I think self-ID has to be looked at globally. Big Tech has been a big and invisible force in pushjng it and in undermining democracy. That's been an amazing opportunity for the GIRES and co of this world. They nearly fooled the Tories who, I think, either:

• didn't look closely at it
• thought it would be a good "tick" in the equalities box to trot out at election line
• didn't understand it
• didn't care (especially some of the very invested ones)
• or some or all of the above

And at the same time over the last 10 or so years, in countries that didn't have the GRA style of legislation that we had - and might even have had requirements you get sterilised to "be trans" - things have gone downhill fast for women and children.

Biden removed women as a sex class on day one. Trudeau has more than nailed his colours to the mast. Australia, NZ, Germany, Spain...they've all gone much further than we have.

I think the Tories could and should have stood up to it a long time ago. But it's becoming clear they had something of a split. What they didn't do, was tell Kemi and Miriam to STFU, however. They are late and they're not quite there. And they need to be held to account. But against the global picture and, I think, helped by the particular setup with the Lords, we have done well in pushing back so far and getting heard.

Whyever the living fuck Starmer sees all this kicking off in Scotland and thinks "yeah that will help me sell myself as Mr-I-was-DPP-doncha-know, I know all about VAWG, TRUST ME LADIES" I'll never know!

Please could any one of the many posters on here who have said that ‘all parties agree GRA need reform’ tell me exactly what this government of the past 13 years has said needs reform? And what they have done about this?

The Tories have done NOTHING to reform the GRA. They have had the opportunity to show us in office what they would do for women. They have done FUCK. ALL to help women.

They reduced the fee to £5 and put the process online to make it easier to access. That is all they've done and all they intend to do. When parties talk about reform of the GRA so far this has always meant they want to make the process easier not that they want to include safeguards for women and children.

If Starmer opens up the GRA which if in power I think realistically he would find reasons not to do, such would be the toxicity of the issue… and having seen how this has gone for Scotland… then the Lords and many in his own party would absolutely not allow things like self ID through when it came down to it because they can clearly see how unpopular with the public it is, and anti-safeguarding.

If Starmer has no intention of introducing self ID why not just say so? They already know how unpopular it is and the safeguarding issues are becoming plainer by the day. They need to stop being vague and say what they actually mean when they talk about reform.

And also the dropping to £5 or whatever for a GRC is a disgusting thing that the Tories did do- applying for immigration and visa status etc and all those types of crucially important unadvoidable paperwork costs people hundreds or thousands of pounds- just to email the UK immigration service from overseas and ask a question is chargeable at £2.79… but who gives a shit about those people and their families, eh?

Just read down this list and see if you feel going down to only £5 for a GRA application is proportionate:

www.gov.uk/government/publications/visa-regulations-revised-table/home-office-immigration-and-nationality-fees-6-april-2022

And this is why I can never vote for him. No respect for women whatsoever. I am furious. Even Rishi Sunak knows what a woman is FFS.

If Starmer has no intention of introducing self ID why not just say so? They already know how unpopular it is and the safeguarding issues are becoming plainer by the day. They need to stop being vague and say what they actually mean when they talk about reform.

OK i agree it would be good but he’s being tweeted by a TRA MP who is standing down at the next election. He’s addressing a gender identitarian crowd. Starmer and all of them are going to have to get more specific as time goes on and elections come closer and more scandals emerge. Which they willl. But at the moment in opposition and he’s getting splinters in his arse because he needs the votes. It’s what politicians do.

So basically, don't worry wims, he's lying?