Keir Starmer confirms Labour will push ahead with self ID (7th Feb 2023)

[Thelnebriati]

Despite everything that has happened over the past few days;

Ben Bradshaw
''A warm welcome for @ Keir_Starmer as he recommits to reforming the UK’s out of date gender recognition process at tonight’s @ LGBTLabour @ LGBTHM
reception in Parliament''

twitter.com/BenPBradshaw/status/1623032232284721189

And even if he isn't lying don't worry either because all those mystery GC cabinet members will suddenly find their spines and stop him?

And anyway Tories.

Is these seriously the best arguments you've got?

are these

no He’s using the same tactics that all politicians do when there’s an election coming up. Starmer needs the votes first to be able to do anything. He’s hedging his bets to appeal to as broad a base as possible. it’s a bit like the Tories saying ‘I know what a woman is’.

But also not like that.. because saying you know what a woman is that is culpable when you are actually in office and you have had the power to make things better for women for more than a decade. But you just choose not to.

Why wouldn't Starmer have done his job in opposition? This was a gift for them. Like I said, there's a global picture here too. And lots of evidence from abroad as to how badly and dangerously self-ID has worked out.

Starmer and co have actively chosen to be servile to the TRAs in opposition. They've shown us who they are. I believe them. I won't vote for them.

It's all very "After the revolution, luv."

I'm pretty confident that voters would back Starmer and that what he's scared of is his own party.

I've only ever voted Labour but I won't be voting for them again unless they drastically change their tune on this issue.

Yep.

I bet there will be a hell of a lot less envelope stuffers in regional Labour HQs for the GE.

They can make their own sodding tea.

Vote for who you want but I am genuinely struggling to understand when all parties have failed so far on this- and I more than accept Labour have been crap on stopping this political takeover in opposition-
but why is the one party with an abysmal record on this issue in office for over a decade, the one that anyone would want to vote for on this issue..?

The one party that have been consistently ‘knowing what a woman is’ is the Communists. Nobody seems to be dying on that hill though?

FFS. They'll never learn.

I’ll be voting Tory, I think most people sleep walked into the TRA/MRA mess, I did and talking at my hobby yesterday, people are only waking up to it now. Only the Tories seem to be trying to row back on it.

I look at the left globally and see in the West it’s taken hold in many more cases

Then to SNP, Labour here who prove that with their waffle and lies

Then Starmer who is just as bad and the MPs such as Lammy and co who really do believe and he won’t be able to remove

Then the fence sitting - he could have been clear by now

I won't be voting Tory either. It will be independent or no vote for me.

I have no plans to vote Tory. I've not quite given up on finding a way to vote Labour but I'm afraid 'He doesn't mean it really' isn't going to cut it. But I will wait for the manifesto before I make up my mind.

It's all very "After the revolution, luv”.

No it’s all very ‘After seeing that the Tory government has done fuck all for women in 13 years, luv’

and

‘Has in fact made things much worse for a lot of women over 13 years, luv’

and

‘Has put UK child poverty off the charts, luv’

It’s really interesting that nobody seems to be defending the Tories- just attacking Labour. What is this big Tory strategy to help women that they’ve promised? I’ve been on this board a few years, why have I never heard of it? What’s been stopping them putting it into practice?

What do you think Labour should do, Sloth? And/or should have done about self-ID?

I won't be voting Tory, so you can rest easy. I just don't owe my vote to any other party either.

I posted upthread specifically what and how I think Labour (or any future gov) should reform but ideally move to repeal the GRA.

I'm not interested in talking about the Tories. I'm interested in why the party I've supported all my adult life is running scared of what seems to be a small group of ideological tosspots.

If Starmer opens up the GRA which if in power I think realistically he would find reasons not to do, such would be the toxicity of the issue… and having seen how this has gone for Scotland

Labour is in government in Wales. They published a document on Tuesday in which they said “Trans women are women, trans men are men, and non-binary identities are valid”. Labour want to bring in a self-ID law for Wales.

www.gov.wales/sites/default/files/pdf-versions/2023/2/2/1675767932/lgbtq-action-plan-wales-contents.pdf

Here is a Welsh Labour minister in the Senedd on Tuesday responding to a Welsh Tory who has asked a question about protecting women and girls. She calls the Tory MS 'shameful' and says she has nothing to say to her.

twitter.com/LauraJ4SWEast/status/1622985492781232129?cxt=HHwWgsCzzZ2tgIYtAAAA

This has all happened in Wales since the events in Scotland. They are still pressing ahead with their anti-women agenda. What makes you think that Labour in Westminster would be any different from Welsh Labour?

Absolutely. And why they display such disdain towards the women in their own party who dare to speak up for women's rights. I would be stark raving mad to vote for Labour as a woman in this current day.

I'm more of a floating voter, but I'm interested in finding out why virtually all politicians have been so totally captured by an ideology which has at its heart the nonsensical belief that "men are women if they say they are". Despite all the harm that acting on such a belief does to women and children.

Just got to wonder why Labour and the left are so hellbent on removing women's rights in the face of all of the evidence we now have that women and children are harmed by anti sex ideology? They really do hate us don't they? I have no idea why Rosie Duffield stays.

I won't be voting Labour even though for that's been my voting preference for the 29 years I've been eligible to vote.

I could almost have understood Starmer if this was a few years ago and there wasn't evidence of actual harm to women and children but he can go fuck himself along with any other bastard misogynistic politician who promotes this anti woman stance.

I live in a safe Labour seat and I know the sitting MP is sympathetic to the terfy argument but has a vulnerable transman friend and thus won’t say boo to a goose on the issue.

I plan to ballot spoil with something like ‘[MPs name] speak up for women you coward!’

There are enough constituency-based terfs and if we all write the same thing, it’ll deffo get noticed.

Tories allowed this mess to happen on their watch. Labour seem hellbent on making it worse.

I hope Post Parker shreds Starmer in the election. As for me, I plan to pin down the two most viable candidates in my area with pointed questions and vote for the one that defends women's rights.