Helloprint has suddenly refused to supply stickers to Kellie-Jay Keen

[IwantToRetire]

The main source to this story is the Daily Mail:

The firm also made a T-shirt designed by Ms Keen and worn by JK Rowling which described First Minister Nicola Sturgeon as a 'Destroyer of women's rights' over the controversial Gender Recognition Act.

But now the company - who has accepted £75,000 of orders from the cause - now says they are 'offensive material'.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11709415/Anger-woke-firm-refuses-print-stickers-defining-women-adult-human-females-trans-row.html

Although there is a twitter thread about this mobile.twitter.com/ThePosieParker/status/1620102242396409857

That's it in a nutshell. The arrogance is frankly astounding.

I agree

I'm not so sure that some TRAs wouldn't want to kill GC feminists if they had the opportunity. JKR mentioned that she had enough death threats to paper a room. Joanna Cherry is in court soon to give evidence about personal threats she received, although may have been for rape rather than murder.

Re the sign that had a drawing of a guillotine on it? I addressed this on the other thread and acknowledged it isn't appropriate or helpful.

Current ongoing situation of women being stopped from speaking at the Education for Women's Liberation and a woman being attacked -

twitter.com/JeanHatchet/status/1621899072318705665?s=20&t=h6L_7TeVQJIQHrOdIUfWVQ

I'm glad you posted this. It is important to remember that there are people who are genuinely anti trans, and that the reason so many trans people and TRAs take such an absolutist view about not engaging with GC views in good faith is because they see stuff like this online.

Without minimising the reality that these voices do exist, they are not gender critical feminist voices. They are not speaking for me. I utterly reject them, as I would hope, and very much wish to see, trans and TRA voices rejecting the violence and threats made to GC women.

Genuine question: have any trans people or TRAs said anything about the "decapitate TERFs" sign?

Yes, thank you for posting that. I have not seen anything similar to that before but this may be because I wouldn't be attracted to those particular sites. I have an aversion to any threats of violence and aggression and wouldn't support threats made against the trans community.

As with @FlirtsWithRhinos I would question if these people were GC. It still remains my view that in Scotland I have not witnessed aggression from GC women whereas there has been from TRA supporters.

Without minimising the reality that these voices do exist, they are not gender critical feminist voices. They are not speaking for me. I utterly reject them, as I would hope, and very much wish to see, trans and TRA voices rejecting the violence and threats made to GC women

absolutely

i also would be interested in the definition of GC used by some posters…

Rendell · Today 17:47

... much like no one truely believes that anti-captitalists want to 'eat the rich' or TRAs want to 'decapitate TERFs' now.

Really? When women have been assaulted by TRA zealots, in public, as the Police stand by, scratching their arses, or threatening to arrest the victim, if she didn't piss off? All of the credible threats of rape and violence? Blockading JKR's home and trying to target her kids? Having women sacked, by making false claims of bigotry?

Etc etc.

What would lead you to conclude that some of them don't want to kill some women?

Im not certain but I dont think terfisaslur is updated now. There have been many many more instances of vile misogyny, death threats, rape threats etc. I believe we are mostly inured now, we generally take the piss of these now.

Its honestly why I'm here so often, every day a new threat,every day someone hilariously refutes it. If only I was as witty as some if these women.

If anyone wishes to believe something that probably sends up a red flag in their mind without due diligence, that's on them. It's not overly difficult to think hang on if trans people are very likely to be assaulted in "say" mens toilets* , why isnt there an outcry, why haven't the newspapers published reports, how come I have never ever heard of one single instance of this happening?

*pick from a choice of things trans people say happen to them on a regular basis.

lol @Boiledbeetle i think you may have a very good point ;-)

What annoys me about people like that, is the brass necked cheek, that they think they have a right to lay the law down and tell other people, ( who are in actual fact, quite able to choose for themselves who they wish to associate with, or support ) what they can do.
Well, I'll do me thanks, they can do them! I've been round the block too many times to allow myself to be dictated to by anyone, let alone an anonymous random on a message board!

Dana Rivers was a trans-identifying male participant at Camp Trans, the protest to end Mich Fest, the women's only festival. Dana Rivers was a qualified teacher, and was featured on magazine covers, and platformed by Oprah.

This should be the profile of a man who had too much to lose from escalating to physical violence against non-compliant women.

In fact, he went to the house of two women involved in organising Mich Fest and he brutally stabbed them and one of their sons. He murdered three people

I recommend you read this. It does contain highly distressing information. mandystadtmiller.substack.com/p/rabbitholed-78-dana-rivers-is-the

Nah, it's easy. The sin is saying that he won't have sex with a female who internally believes that they are male.

Because he's homosexual. His sin is seeing sex.

And T people, yes, believe homosexual people should be excluded from a celebration of homosexuality for the sin of wanting to have a sexual orientation based on sex, instead of validating T people with their body.

There is no capacity apparently in the T to tolerate this as they happily tolerate all kinks and fetishes. This is a heresy for which they have taken over Pride and thrown out the original group.

For refusing to do straight sex on command.

Incidentally for anyone new to this tangled mess,

This 'LGBT' event being discussed (Pride) is no longer a celebration of and visibility of people who are lesbian, gay, bisexual and trans.

As you can see from the posts here: 'LGBT event' now means nothing more than 'people compliant to the T ideology'.

They've thrown out the LGBT people who aren't obedient to this, particularly the homosexual ones who won't repent and learn to be bisexual. It's basically now a political party's works outing.

@Rendell " or TRAs want to 'decapitate TERFs' now. "

I wish i had your confidence in that because tbqh, they seem to be a very unhinged/dangerous group, that i wouldn't trust as far as i could throw them!
Death threats, rape threats, actual assaults don't come from sane, rational people!

As you can see from the posts here: 'LGBT event' now means nothing more than 'people compliant to the T ideology'
That's not what I meant or said at all though - just that it's a no brainer someone wasn't welcome there when they wear attire excluding some the event is for.
You're entitled to want to exclude the L, G, the B or the T but it's a bit daft to think that at an inclusive event for all of those everyone would be accepting of you blatantly pushing one out, seems a bit doing it to try and be antogonising.
Wear it at LGB events, not LGBT ones - unless you're deliberately seeking drama/publicity

So @RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella should all the people carrying trans tights now been ejected also? They were excluding LGB people weren’t they? Are you saying no one can be at a pride unless they tow the party line? Why?

It's hardly an 'inclusive' event for LGBT people, where LGB people are only welcome if fully compliant to straight sex with a TQ+ person.

They can I suppose be homosexual but only if they never talk about it and act TQ+ compliant in public. Effectively back in the closet. Because their homosexuality is a threat to people who do not wish others to perceive the reality of their sex, or be allowed to date exclusively on a sex based orientation. In peace.

Let it all sink in. You can have any kink at all, even MAPS now welcome, but homosexuality?

How does it go in the interviews and articles, let's see if I remember...'Learn to cope' with straight sex. Don't selfishly prioritise your own orgasms when there are TQ+ people who urgently need your service provision. Break the cotton ceiling. Down with conversion therapy (except for homosexuals.) Inclusive events! (But not for them.) Be kind! (But not to them.) And the homosexuals better not resist any of this or the TQ+ lobby will throw them out of gay Pride.

However, I think Iwanf has confused two lemons.
Swan posts here often. I think OP may have the wrong lemon in mind.

Sorry if I confused lemons, but having seen the thread about Sunnak being derailed by whataboutery, and it was a bit late and I was more than tired, to have what seemed like the same whatabouteries appear made me a bit sharp.

But delighted that someone must have recognised themselves and got my post deleted, when I gave a reference and so easily could have contradicted. ie mixing up my lemons.

And will now go and check the index of new posts on FWR and discover all the thrilling new topics we were being told off for not talking about.

Seriously if you think a thread is pointless just dont post on it. The more you continue to post whatabouteries the more live it keeps the thread.

Anyhow this is a derail.

But on topic, the more people who take the time to list KJK crimes and so on, the more important you make her.

Quite honestly I suspect 90% of FWR posters would never have heard about her, if so many others hadn't spent to much time telling us we shouldn't take any notice of her.

As has the print company who were happy to take her money for however many years it was, and now have decided it isn't acceptable. Wonder if they will give back the money they took of her, because if they dont they will be guilty of profiting by wrong think.

Wasn’t it lesbians who got thrown out of Pride marches for refusing to accept that males can be lesbians? So males with a trans identity were not content with co opting the word woman, but demanded to be recognised as female homosexuals. I’d like all these gender ideologists to explainhow it is that insisting female homosexuals should be fine with dating males is not conversion therapy and deeply homophobic. What is the difference between a male with a trans identity claiming he is a lesbian, and the blokes down the pub stating they are ‘lesbians in a man’s body’?

Let's not forget that the late, great Magdalen Berns was thrown out of the Lesbian Society at Edinburgh University for stating that men cannot be lesbians.

So Mermaids can be excluded then according to your logic?

The one who called people who are trans blackface actors and sick fucks?
Late great obviously a matter of opinion as doesn't sound great to me.

I utterly reject them too.