Sunak: "I know what a woman is – an adult human female"

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I know it's a Mail link but I've not seen it up anywhere else yet:

Rishi Sunak wades into trans debate saying 'biological sex matters'
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Glad to see him taking a clear position.

This. I don’t believe he gives a shit about anyone’s rights except his own.

I am very angry with Labour over this. Very.

Ah yes, he should do the opposite of what voters want, of course. I mean look at Nicola Sturgeon - blindingly successful strategy.

No politician is going to be successful pushing gender ideology. None.

It's over.

On what basis do you say that?

Do you really think he does not believe that biological sex is real?

He has female family members, why would you think he doesn't give a shit about them? Or whether, say, female athletes are disadvantaged?

You don't hear him talking about his favorite socks or techno music, because no one cares about his views on those things. He's supposed to talk about political topics people care about, that's his bloody job.

PM says he believes in reality and somehow, posters are criticising him for it?
Mind boggling.

Unfortunately, Sunak leads a vile, corrupt party with hateful views on most issues and have destroyed the country since 2010.

Unfortunately, also, far too many Labour MPs are hideous on the gender identity question.

And don't get me started on Lib Dems, SNP etc.

It's fuckin depressing

I think you are being disingenuous.

When did he learn that? Previously he was all women are whatever the Tories say they are.

When did he change his mind?

I despise the Tories.

But thank fuck Sunak has made this statement. This clear, unequivocal truth which needs to be told. His actual feelings about women’s rights are unknown but he has made this clarion call and it really, really matters.

Starmer you idiot. Rosie Duffield for PM.

So, are you taking the position you'd like the government to say and do nothing on this issue?

Is that really because you are afraid it will make people argue, or because you actually don't think that gender ideology is a problem?

Lol people are easily pleased. As if he actually gives a fuck about women, in the end it's women who are disadvantaged the most by their policies and all the cuts they have made for the last 13 years

It’s a real problem if you tie yourself in knots because you agree with one thing your ideological opposite has said, and you can’t tolerate the dissonance.

If you agree, you agree. He spoke the truth. Yes his motives are undoubtedly self-serving. And, he probably entirely believes what he’s saying (because women are adult human females and biology does matter). We need more and more people to state this clearly and publicly, and the powerful are important in this respect because those of us scared to lose our jobs if we come out as GC risk so much more.

We need sunlight and this is sunlight. Whatever you think about Sunak.

As an aside, this must surely be penetrating to the general population? Surely people are aware of it?

Of all ages and not just social media etc?

I’m absolutely adrift with regards to which political party feels like home at the moment - and it’s not a nice place to be.

But I am finding it amusing that a politician, for once, has said something which is totally true - and some people still find a way to twist it.

He could change his mind tomorrow.🤷‍♀️

Or he could educate the rest of his party and remove the dangerous, damaging to women policies and language in policies that his party have inflicted on us since Maria Miller back in 2015. Tell his Education Minister what a "girl" is. Tell his Chair of Women and Equalities what a "woman" is. Tell the Con MP for Bridgend that he is a man and can't become a woman.

Most likely he'll do Jack shit.

I used to think it was the media trying to make the left look really stupid as they would always get a left commentator on political shows who would sneer and partonise and generally turn people off by their manner so no one would listen to what they were actually saying.

But lol and behold here they are turning up of their own volition to say how stupid everyone is for pointing out that the most senior politician in the UK has stated they women are biological females.

Given that probably two or even one year ago no politician would say such a thing, it is a real turn around and credit to all campaigners that this has happened.

But if you are so entrenched in your two party politics you would deny the validity of anything being said is just daft.

No doubt you dont think that because a Tory agreed we should support Ukraine that that shouldn't have happened either.

Look to your self and the rest of the left who prioritised NOT supporting women. Why would you think anyone would listen to a party that says that, and yet you demand that we should trust them.

Are you so entrenched in political righteousness that you think being rude and arogant to other people will win they over to your side.

If I thought it was done out of any genuine desire to have a discussion about where does that leave women politically it might be worth listening to. (But as 99.9% of FWR threads have this theme doesn't really seem a very bright or original thing to do.) Have now come to the conclusion that those who crash in like the left thought police are in fact indulging in whataboutary, to cover up the left dumping on women.

I live in a traditinally left borough. The council is the most elitist group of self serving complacent incompetents. We have people living in council housing slums, while they prioritise the rich incomers and facilitate their life style. And celebrate "levelling up" which in fact is ethnic cleansing.

I think the Labour Party has a much to do with improving people's lives as the lady of the Manor has in handing out small gifts to duly grateful serfs on high days and holidays.

And no I am not a Tory, but I think for all those who have fought to get the issue of women's sex based right up the political agenda, this is quite an achievement.

But of course the morally lazy left will try and demean what he has said by turning it into party political brawl. Because they are too gutless to admit they were wrong. And of course because of the entrenched misogyny.

So well done for completely wasting your time and emotional energy in presuming to school us on our political niavity.

All you have done is show the left is a busted flush, that might indeed come first in the next election. Not that they will have won, but will have been gifted it by all the old boy tories who have bogged the party down in sleaze.

No doubt I will come back to this thread tomorrow and be given the benefit of another lecture telling me not to care about women.

Please do. I like a good laugh in the morning.

I'm not voting for anyone who claims not to know what a woman is.

They are either stupid or cowardly. Neither is the mark of a leader.

How do you know that for sure?

All politicians with a few honourable exceptions have been careful to avoid arguing about transgenderism. Suddenly the debacle in Scotland has encouraged them to speak out.Perhaps that's what motivates Sunac. Perhaps it isn't. It hardly matter so long as he acts on it.

At this point in time, I don't care if he means it or not.

The fact that he has said it will make it easier for other people to follow suit.

I would rather he was pretending to think woman-adult human female than pretending TWAW.

Let's not pull up the drawbridge.

When enough of them are saying it it will be easier to make them act on it.

I still won't vote Tory.

Or any of the others at the moment.

I don't know why people doubt that it's his opinion. He's answering instantly and in detail which isn't a strong point for him usually. Considering he has daughters I'd expect him to be interested in women's rights too.

I don't want him to make it easier for other people to follow.🙄 I want him to use his position as Prime Minister to reverse the damage his party have done to women and safeguard our rights before he fucks off with his millions in 2 years time.

You don't think it's possible that Morgan and Sunak and his people talked about what the questions were going to be beforehand?

I'm sure it is his opinion nonetheless.

to make it easier for other people to follow

That's because you have a view of society and politics that is fundamentally unrealistic. It's the fools utopia that so damages policy and strategic thinking on the left.

If Starmer's hands are tied because of the inner workings of the LP, as many seem to think, the only way out of that mess is to make it possible for more of them to speak out against it. The same goes for the inner workings of the Tory party, and just as importantly, the civil service and other sectors like education.

There are people in jobs like teaching or in universities, or nursing, who post here regularly about having to keep quiet, so that bad policy is accepted without comment in their workplaces. One way that changes is making speaking out possible.

None of the back-tracking that has gone on around this - and it's been significant - would have happened under any of the other parties.

I do not have a view of society that is fundamentally unrealistic. I know exactly what a Prime Minister with a massive majority can do.

Low expectations hold women back.