Sunak: "I know what a woman is – an adult human female"

[escapingthecity]

I know it's a Mail link but I've not seen it up anywhere else yet:

Rishi Sunak wades into trans debate saying 'biological sex matters'
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Glad to see him taking a clear position.

I don't care WHY he's saying it. At least he's got the balls to say it
#labourlosingwomen

I’ll believe he cares about women when they reform the CMS and force fathers to pay fairly for their kids.

Weirdly, I don’t class knowing what a woman is as a low expectation. I class it as a basic starting point for telling the truth.

Right now, I want that basic, scientific, biological fact to be the starting point. I’ll then happily chop away at the rest of the mess. But, if that first statement is not clarified, then how the bloody hell does everything else get argued?

If Labour get their way, there will be a lot more problems re fighting for the rights of women. Because women won’t exist.

Not a Conservative voter, but it's much better Rishi being on record stating an unequivocal definition of a woman than the alternative.

I don't care if his motives are self serving. His statement throws down the gauntlet for Kier Starmer who's too frightened to tell the truth and sets the standard for other Conservatives to follow (yes that's you Caroline Noakes, Theresa May and Maria Miller).

To think we could have had Penny "TWAW" Mordaunt. If she were PM she'd be flying the trans flag from 10 Downing Street and would be giving all her exclusive interviews to Pink News.

The fact that he appointed Kemi rather than Penny Mordaunt as Women’s and Equalities Minister should be evidence enough that he knows what a woman is.

PMs should not need to reaffirm scientific and biological facts. Imagine Lloyd George, Churchill or Harold Wilson standing up and saying they know what a woman is.

Still it is very good news that he has done so as it gives PM backing to Kemi and his other Ministers as they strive to roll back the Dentons/Stonewall stealth capture of our public sector and other institutions.

I find some of the posting here very odd. Of course he should know that women are adult human females. He is an intelligent man who appears to respect and appreciate the women in his life. The much bigger question is why Nicola and Kier don’t know. Did they really think TWAW would get them votes when even Stonewall figures suggested the vast majority of then population disagreed. If so it looks as if we might see a very public reverse ferret.

I too class it as a basic starting point for telling the truth, like the earth is round. A fact that most Yr1s know. You have extremely low expectations from the adult male Prime Minister of the UK if that's enough for you.

Women demand better.

That's nice. Of course he does as we are ones facing the worse effects of his cost of living shitty policies. (With our children). Still would rather poke myself in the eye with a rusty spoon than vote for the wee bawbag.

People of all ages are becoming aware of the issue. It's now becoming a subject that people mutter about in pubs as part of the "what is the world coming to" narrative.

I work in the political sphere and what I find fascinating is the extent to which posters on mumsnet do not realise that the country is far more to the right than they think. The Conservatives are not worried about Labour; they are worried that Reform is the new UKIP.

I see these polls about Labour leads, but it's not backed up by what I hear from the ground. People think the government is an unholy mess, but that doesn't automatically translate to "I'm going to vote Labour instead."

There's also huge shifts going on in terms of socio-economic groups and traditional voting tendencies. I would not want to make a call on the make up of the next government it at all at the moment. There's too many plates in the air.

The problem with this issue is that it has exposed absolute ideological rigidity in the face of reality among sections of the Labour Party. Not only that, but the notion that biological sex is unimportant and some men are women because they say so is the most batshit ideological position that you can probably take. It quite clearly flies in the face of reality. Not even Stalin tried to pull this shit.

Half the reason why the issue has not had a lot of public traction so far is that the whole thing is so bonkers, people didn't actually believe it. They thought they'd misunderstood the issue or we were talking about people with DSD or something. It wasn't until the Scottish incident that a lot of people realised, no, it actually was about intact biological males being treated as women to the extent of putting them in female prisons.

For a lot of people, this subject does not constitute a "culture war" issue at all. It's about the shock of realising that some politicians are prepared to deny reality on the most fundamental level and what that then means for absolutely bloody everything else.

A culture war is two opposing positions on a contentious social subject: say, pro-choice vs. pro-life. Genderism is like coming along and saying that all of that is void because no human ever gets pregnant and if they do, they are not actually human beings but cats.

@Needmoresleep he appointed Gillian Keegan Minister for Education. A TWAW believer who couldn't/wouldn't define "girl". And she's not the first Tory TRA to hold the position.

Sunak says he knows what a woman is? Big deal, my 5yo knows that.🙄 And has known it for longer than our PM. It doesn't translate into any actual benefit to the women whose rights were destroyed by the Conservative Party.

A PP mentioned tribal 2 party politics. I agree that this is damaging.

I am not and have never been a Labour/Conservative voter or supporter. All views expressed here are my own.

If Starmer came out and said this, he'd lose a few votes. And gain a whole lot more.

I don't think the Tories will actually gain votes from this, I think Starmer is increasing the numbers of non-voters by his nonsensical position.

No, it’s not enough for me. Yes, women demand better.

Sorry, can you point me in the direction of another party leader who has at least grasped that basic Year 1 starting point?

As I indicated, get that Year 1 knowledge stated first and I’m then all for starting on the rest of the list. But if a potential leader can’t get that basic straight, how on earth do we start on anything else?

Good. He wouldn't be saying it if the issue wasn't polling favourably and if it didn't provide good leverage to garner favour with the public. This seems to fly in the face of all those posters who insist that gender faith isn't a broader public concern.

Maybe he does care. He has two daughters .

I would bet he does believe it 100% and he cares about women. He has two daughters.

Of course politicians do things with votes in mind. That's like saying you only go to work to get paid, a CEO only cares about the bottom line. Well yes on one hand both are true. But it doesn't mean these people are also incapable of caring or feeling strongly about things.

What it shows to me is that he has actually taken a moment to think about the issue and what he believes. As opposed to politicians and people who just repeat whatever sound bites they have heard in an effort to seem progressive and kind.

And yet many adults, including KS, have no idea what a woman is.

Even if Piers didn't run through questions with him beforehand, and I'm sure the team did, Sunaks team would have researched and spent time planning answers for questions like this.

My bet though is the teams had mutually agreed on this topic. Nothing would happen by mistake in Sunaks world.

A politician who doesn't understand reality doesn't fill me with confidence that their policies, however lovely they might sound, are rooted in reality either.
If we had to cast a vote today, I would vote for Rishi.

I don’t think they can. Either they’re hopeless at listening to what women want or they are too mired in the left based ideology to say it.

As much as some on here prefer this utter inability it’s not good.

Yes this exactly. I cant see even hardened tory voters voting for this lot in the next election.
Shame I was rooting for Rishi to do really well but his party has destroyed the country so he doesn't have a hope. We need a compete change.

Of course it’s his opinion.

The only thing that is questionable is how far a Conservative supports the concept of human rights and equality law, which is central to why biological sex is relevant in legislation.

Whether or not biological sex is important shouldn’t be a question, but Labour are standing in front of an open goal and inviting the Conservatives to have a free kick.

Meanwhile Sturgeon is busily creating headlines for the right wing press about the danger of a ‘progressive coalition’ with the SNP.

We aren't fucking stupid. We know this is a last ditch attempt at winning public support. We know they don't give a shit about women. But neither does Labour.

I think everyone knows what a woman is so I don’t think it’s quite right to say “he’s only saying it because it’s good for votes.” He’s saying it because he believes it and because he isn’t afraid of being honest because it won’t lose him votes. theres a difference. He has two daughters and I’m sure it’s very easy for him to reflect on whether men belong in women’s spaces with them.

good for him. Hopefully it’s the start of the end of this nonsense and we can start having bettter conversations.

What a sad indictment for the world that people are trying to convince others that Rishi Sunak’s statement about women is just a carefully constructed poll winning lie.

Do those saying this ever step back and think, nah this time I have gone too far and this is looking extreme!

It is ludicrous to suggest he doesn’t believe it and is only saying it to win votes.

He is saying it even though it will lose him votes. He is saying it even though members of his own party will disagree. Will they scream passionately at him, pointing fingers and be incoherent with rage? I doubt it. He is a man. However, he is saying something he has already said before.

Will it ‘score’ better than Starmer’s swivels and dishonesty? Yes.

Will it ‘score’ better than Sturgeon’s shower of shite ‘we will categorise them as rapists’ , while showing she is fully understanding the falsity but cannot deviate without losing her job? You’d have to be brainless to not see a direct answer that is based on scientific fact will be welcomed after SNP’s clearly scripted line.

If some posters cannot see the idiocy in their own assertions that he is ‘just saying it because he wants to appeal to x group of people’ it is best we leave them to it.

@Helleofabore spot on!