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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Standing for Women Glasgow 5th Feb

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MrsJackRackham · 28/01/2023 22:43

Anyone going?

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IwantToRetire · 06/02/2023 00:33

Sorry if my posts repeats earlier ones, but I just haven't had time to read everything posted in the last 24 hours.

I was able to tune into the live stream, but there were a lot of glitches so missed parts. (As someone who wouldn't know where to start live streaming I am not in any way criticising and could have been my intermittent wifi.

I am hoping the recorded version will have better sound because the speeches were great and covered the many different ways in which gender identity undermines women's rights.

So was disappointed that much of the mainstream media seem to have used the same person to (I think it is called) file a report. Basically it made it sound like KJK made a speech and everyone else just stood there. So totally missing the point of the event.

And the reports make it sound like the furries were just as big in number!

Sadly the Times one that you would hope would have a bit more substance was all about the thin blue line keeping the 2 sides apart. The Scottish Daily Express seems to have tried to do better coverage but seemed to think KJK was an american feminist.

And the Metro had the most pro trans slant.

For anyone interested here are the links I looked at:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11715379/Womens-rights-campaigner-Kellie-Jay-Keen-thanks-Nicola-Sturgeon-waking-Scotland-Glasgow.html

www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/hundreds-protestors-attend-glasgow-demonstration-29138102

www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/23300718.gender-recognition-reform-rally-glasgow-met-counter-protest/

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/glasgow-scottish-government-scottish-msps-stirling-b2276169.html

www.scotsman.com/news/politics/scotland-gender-row-organiser-thanks-nicola-sturgeon-for-waking-up-scotland-as-hundreds-join-rally-against-gender-recognition-reforms-4014899

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/glasgow-scottish-government-scottish-stirling-nicola-sturgeon-b1058051.html

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/police-form-a-thin-blue-line-to-keep-gender-protesters-apart-xdjgs52xf
archive.ph/Lqsli

metro.co.uk/2023/02/05/activists-on-both-sides-of-gender-recognition-debate-rally-in-glasgow-18226653/

Kroton67 · 06/02/2023 00:41

And the reports make it sound like the furries were just as big in number!

I thought it looked pretty even checking the webcam throughout the event.

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Boiledbeetle · 06/02/2023 00:45

@IwantToRetire

Wonderful paper round up. I'll save them for the morning.

The video and sound was awful throughout. We lost massive chunks

MargaritaPie · 06/02/2023 00:57

Boiledbeetle · 05/02/2023 22:48

Furry count appears to be 3.5

I'm glad people were entertained by the furry outfits, but aren't Gender Criticals the side who dress up in inflatable dinosaur outfits? Is that still a thing?

IwantToRetire · 06/02/2023 01:09

So how come this picture makes the crowd at SfW is much larger than the web cam one. And what I saw on youtube

static.standard.co.uk/2023/02/05/15/ec338e20fac453253a4abe823c0d2d42Y29udGVudHNlYXJjaGFwaSwxNjc1NjkzMzg4-2.70872439.jpg

Confusing.

IwantToRetire · 06/02/2023 01:14

Just realised you can click on the image I linked to and then scroll round the picture get really big close up of faces in the crowd.

And doing that see what I take to be the furries are a small group lining the edge of the square top right?

Not comparable in size at all.

IwantToRetire · 06/02/2023 01:15

@Boiledbeetle such a shame the papers dont print at least some of what women were saying.

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 06/02/2023 01:41

Kroton67 · 06/02/2023 00:41

And the reports make it sound like the furries were just as big in number!

I thought it looked pretty even checking the webcam throughout the event.

I suspect you are having a little cow/far away cow moment.

To look the same size from that angle, the group furthest from the camera must be significantly bigger.

Just like the toy cows and the cows outside Father Ted’s window.

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 06/02/2023 01:43

MargaritaPie · 06/02/2023 00:57

I'm glad people were entertained by the furry outfits, but aren't Gender Criticals the side who dress up in inflatable dinosaur outfits? Is that still a thing?

That’s not a sex thing, PIE.

MargaritaPie · 06/02/2023 01:48

Maybe our furry friends just wanted to be mascots? You know, like at sports matches.

IMO A bit judgmental to jump to a conclusion that it has "to be sexual".

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 06/02/2023 01:51

Why is that in quote marks PIE?

Are you making shit up again?

OnlyTheWeedsGrow · 06/02/2023 01:52

Do you believe the words you write, @MargaritaPie ?

MargaritaPie · 06/02/2023 01:56

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 06/02/2023 01:51

Why is that in quote marks PIE?

Are you making shit up again?

Your post just before mine was implying that is a sexual thing.

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 06/02/2023 01:56

In tangential news: I just did a news search for furries expecting recent stories to be relevant to this thread.

This was the top result 😱

www.dailystar.co.uk/news/us-news/weapon-loving-furry-kept-ex-29125888

He even has blue hair! What are the odds?!

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NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 06/02/2023 01:59

MargaritaPie · 06/02/2023 01:56

Your post just before mine was implying that is a sexual thing.

So you inferred something I didn’t actually say and then put in some quote marks to pretend I did say it?

Feministwoman · 06/02/2023 02:01

Margarita Pie

Interesting name

MargaritaPie · 06/02/2023 02:04

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 06/02/2023 01:59

So you inferred something I didn’t actually say and then put in some quote marks to pretend I did say it?

You were the first to use the words "sex thing" on the topic of outifts. Maybe there's a misunderstanding somewhere?

@Feministwoman, thanks.

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 06/02/2023 02:08

MargaritaPie · 06/02/2023 02:04

You were the first to use the words "sex thing" on the topic of outifts. Maybe there's a misunderstanding somewhere?

@Feministwoman, thanks.

The misunderstanding is that quotation marks denote direct speech.

Don’t assign made up quotes to other people and then deny it.

WomanXXWorldsOriginsofMothersofAllNations · 06/02/2023 02:09

IwantToRetire · 06/02/2023 01:15

@Boiledbeetle such a shame the papers dont print at least some of what women were saying.

I’ve only clicked on the Daily Mail link, and whilst it would be excellent to see more women’s stories in MSM, I am very happy to see that this story is being reported positively as a woman’s rights campaign, rather than the negative anti-trans or row over gender, etc.

I think the opening of the Mail story is good too - Let Woman Speak being protested as Hate Speech, and woman’s rights protesters having profanities screamed at them.

“Women's rights campaigner Kellie-Jay Keen thanks Nicola Sturgeon for 'waking up Scotland' but tensions flare at Glasgow rally as activists clash amid row over transgender prisoner Isla Bryson

  • Women's right activists gathered in Glasgow today for Let Women Speak rally
  • Counter-protest staged by pro-reform advocates Carbaret Against Hate Speech
  • Heated encounter saw person scream at women's rights protestors to 'f* off'”
MargaritaPie · 06/02/2023 02:10

Well as your post I replied to is directly above mine anyone reading can easily see for themselves what was said verbatim. I'll be more careful in future.

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 06/02/2023 02:25

MargaritaPie · 06/02/2023 02:10

Well as your post I replied to is directly above mine anyone reading can easily see for themselves what was said verbatim. I'll be more careful in future.

HTH!

I’ve found you an American English resource as you seem to be using the US style already:

www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/quotes.asp

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Feministwoman · 06/02/2023 02:31

MargaritaPie · 06/02/2023 02:04

You were the first to use the words "sex thing" on the topic of outifts. Maybe there's a misunderstanding somewhere?

@Feministwoman, thanks.

Not sure why you are thanking me, I wouldn't want to draw attention to such a user name

VaddaABeetch · 06/02/2023 05:41

Poor old @MargaritaPie, it must be a full time job for they coming on Mumsnet to tell off all us wimmins. Do we appreciate the effort & rapier sharp wit?

risefromyourgrave · 06/02/2023 07:01

MargaritaPie · 06/02/2023 02:10

Well as your post I replied to is directly above mine anyone reading can easily see for themselves what was said verbatim. I'll be more careful in future.

No, I really doubt you will “be more careful in future” (see, that’s how quotation marks work) because the only thing you do on these discussions is misrepresent and insinuate. You are as disingenuous as they come.

Datun · 06/02/2023 07:09

WomanXXWorldsOriginsofMothersofAllNations · 06/02/2023 02:09

I’ve only clicked on the Daily Mail link, and whilst it would be excellent to see more women’s stories in MSM, I am very happy to see that this story is being reported positively as a woman’s rights campaign, rather than the negative anti-trans or row over gender, etc.

I think the opening of the Mail story is good too - Let Woman Speak being protested as Hate Speech, and woman’s rights protesters having profanities screamed at them.

“Women's rights campaigner Kellie-Jay Keen thanks Nicola Sturgeon for 'waking up Scotland' but tensions flare at Glasgow rally as activists clash amid row over transgender prisoner Isla Bryson

  • Women's right activists gathered in Glasgow today for Let Women Speak rally
  • Counter-protest staged by pro-reform advocates Carbaret Against Hate Speech
  • Heated encounter saw person scream at women's rights protestors to 'f* off'”

Makes them sound absolutely ridiculous.

Esp "Cabaret Against Hate Speech". They sound like silly teens.

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