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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Andrew Burns AKA Tiffany Scott

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Signalbox · 28/01/2023 11:30

Wtf is going on? Another violent man being moved to a women's prison in Scotland. A man so violent they can't even take him to court and NHS staff refuse to treat him.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/new-trans-prisoner-storm-looms-29069314

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queencactus · 29/01/2023 12:45

The Victorians recognised that someone with a penis was a danger to women, which was why they were in support of separate accommodation. I feel very let down by our politicians that they fail to recognise this. It doesn't matter if the person identifies as a man, a woman, a baby or a rainbow unicorn. If they have a penis they don't belong in a women's prison unless there are exceptional circumstances.

Waitwhat23 · 29/01/2023 12:50

GailBlancheViola · 29/01/2023 12:43

This Am I no longer female if I've had a hysterectomy? is so facile - only ONE sex will ever have to have that operation, no man or transwoman will ever need it, having that operation does not alter your sex, no bodily modification does whether something is added or removed.

Perhaps the poster also thinks that humans - a bi-pedal species - cease to be human if they lose one or both of their legs, that's the ridiculous level of that trite comment.

I can't remember if it was earlier in this thread or on another but a poster bizarrely did make an argument around a human who had lost a leg. The 'transphobia' of saying that the sex is immutable in humans was compared to being somehow 'phobic' to a person who had lost a leg.

Their point was so poorly drawn that it's hard to relate with any sort of sense.

Needmoresleep · 29/01/2023 12:54

I am ambivalent about GBTV. They have been very good on gender, but I then caught some “Bring back Boris” stuff which came close to tin hat.

I flicked through the Guardian website. Nothing. Will Bindel be interviewed by the BBC? Why not?

Strange times. I can’t see much uproar about Westminster intervening. Instead the focus seems to be on Stugeon’s judgement with another of her party saying the act should be repealed. Gender recognition should never have been a party political issue. The problems seem to date back from Stonewall’s #nodebate and Acceptance without Exception, exacerbated by Sturgeon’s whip.

Acceptance is good. Exceptions need to be made to protect women and girls. Tiffany Scott is clearly one.

Waitwhat23 · 29/01/2023 12:57

As someone who has higher than normal levels of testosterone than the female normal range due to my PCOS, I always sigh a little when I see 'being female' reduced to hormones. I am a female with an endocrine disorder. My extra testosterone doesn't make me a man in the same way that a male taking estrogen or a female taking even more testosterone makes them the opposite sex. Sex is immutable. Cosmetic surgery and hormones do not change that.

Iluvfriends · 29/01/2023 13:09

Idwtlotpam · 28/01/2023 22:52

Please explain how a fully transitioned trans woman is biologically different from someone born female?

You can't be being serious here......

NecessaryScene · 29/01/2023 13:13

This is genius!

Yes, watch that! Good effort from Konstantin - kept it going longer than I thought he could.

One serious snippet there:

You know what, I did say to them on Question Time last night, which I'm sure we'll talk about, "why don't we talk about this story?"

And they said, "we don't have an LGBTQ person on the panel, so we can't talk about it."

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 29/01/2023 13:17

It’s an interesting turn around from the lads who have consistently felt that what about vulnerable transwomen prisoners’ was some kind of gotcha when talking to KJK

look like their views are maturing (aka becoming more logical)

Signalbox · 29/01/2023 13:26

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 29/01/2023 13:17

It’s an interesting turn around from the lads who have consistently felt that what about vulnerable transwomen prisoners’ was some kind of gotcha when talking to KJK

look like their views are maturing (aka becoming more logical)

I think they’ve been quite open about the fact that KJK changed their mind.

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Signalbox · 29/01/2023 13:26

*minds

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WomanXXWorldsOriginsofMothersofAllNations · 29/01/2023 13:37

Let’s just hope NS never gets a parking ticket she can’t pay cos showering naked with no protection with a violent sexual predator seems a step beyond the usual sanctions (that women face for time inside for non payment of fines ie speeding, TV license, etc).

OK maybe she’s lucky and skips shower time, there’s always forced meal times. Or exercise times, or a shared cell, or maybe a make-up tutorial.

You know what, I don’t care how pink, or frilly, or femme name a man adopts He.Is. Not. My. Problem.

Her time is not his validation.

@Blister I’m so sorry 💐

Waitwhat23 · 29/01/2023 13:45

I am so, so grateful that Scottish women have MBM. This thread is outstanding -

twitter.com/mbmpolicy/status/1619670133659799552?s=20&t=NmdLuMiBve8iot7MIJ3gCw

GailBlancheViola · 29/01/2023 13:45

I can't remember if it was earlier in this thread or on another but a poster bizarrely did make an argument around a human who had lost a leg. The 'transphobia' of saying that the sex is immutable in humans was compared to being somehow 'phobic' to a person who had lost a leg.

Their point was so poorly drawn that it's hard to relate with any sort of sense.

FGS, seriously??? Just when you think their argument can't get any lower or any more idiotic....

TheClogLady · 29/01/2023 13:46

Signalbox · 29/01/2023 13:26

I think they’ve been quite open about the fact that KJK changed their mind.

TBF, the very first time you hear someone say, out loud, bluntly and without apology ‘Transwomen are men’ it IS a bit shocking and it can take a while to properly calibrate it.

Which is testament to the successes of the transactivists over the last two decades.
The wheels are coming off the transbus now, of course.

I remember feeling shocked at the bluntness of women stating material reality when I first rocked up here, which was during my ‘OK, there is something really fucking weird happening with the trans movement but surely we can still find a compromise that works for for everyone?’ phase.

Once the the straight talking women of Mumsnet FWR had helped me to understand (and indeed, I saw for myself) that the current wave of trans rights activists will not accept compromises such as additional third spaces for sleeping/dressing/toileting etc and that when they say TWAW they mean it literally, not metaphorically or wistfully, and they intended to impose that falsehood onto us via policy, bureaucracy and eventually law…

… I stopped being such a pollyanna and worked on my own straight-talking skills!

It’s been interesting watching public profile men on a similar journey (women tend not to speak publicly until they are already very solid on the issue, for fairly obvious reasons), not just KK and FF of Triggerpod but also Douglas Murray, Brendan O’Neill et al.

Signalbox · 29/01/2023 14:11

I remember feeling shocked at the bluntness of women stating material reality when I first rocked up here, which was during my ‘OK, there is something really fucking weird happening with the trans movement but surely we can still find a compromise that works for for everyone?’ phase.

This exactly describes my experience too back in 2017.

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 29/01/2023 14:12

Enjoy Julie Bindel taking no prisoners this morning on GB news - and ask yourself why she's not been interviewed by the BBC, the Guardian etc?

twitter.com/bindelj/status/1619665344041484289

Signalbox · 29/01/2023 14:14

MrsOvertonsWindow · 29/01/2023 14:12

Enjoy Julie Bindel taking no prisoners this morning on GB news - and ask yourself why she's not been interviewed by the BBC, the Guardian etc?

twitter.com/bindelj/status/1619665344041484289

Is it cos she is a right wing transphobic bigot who has only taken an interest in women in prison to attack trans people?

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CaveMum · 29/01/2023 14:39

I do it every week, but I highly recommend carpet bombing the "Rest Is Politics" Q&A request thread with questions on this topic. I've helpfully sent them the clip of Julie Bindel this morning and asked them to think about interviewing her 😜

twitter.com/RestIsPolitics/status/1619664368014356481?s=20&t=Cs0kgGRS8_DjNA8Nxe70xA

Clymene · 29/01/2023 14:52

Keep Prisons Single Sex are on the Andrew Doyle show this evening on GB News. About 7.40 apparently Smile

TheClogLady · 29/01/2023 14:59

Post on the transgender uk subreddit.

They are SO close to getting it.

What do all the sex offenders they’ve counted up, Tory and Trans, already criminally convicted or currently facing allegations have in common?

They are all male!

Most sex offences are not reported, let alone prosecuted…

NO MALES IN FEMALE JAILS!

Andrew Burns AKA Tiffany Scott
Needmoresleep · 29/01/2023 15:14

Clymene · 29/01/2023 14:52

Keep Prisons Single Sex are on the Andrew Doyle show this evening on GB News. About 7.40 apparently Smile

But what about the bloody Guardian and BBC!

Because of their selective reporting people, kind good people, really don’t know this is going on.

Boiledbeetle · 29/01/2023 15:29

I was using Buck Angel as an example of how extremely masculine appearing trans men would not necessarily be a comfort to women in sex segregated groups

apologies to Buck for turning them into a criminal in the following scenarios.

Surely how they reacted to Buck would depend entirely on what Buck was in prison for? Just in the way men react differently to prisoners serving time for varying crimes?

Accountancy fraud but generally placid and nice to get along with, always buys everyone crisps on Tuesday no issues, they'd probably want to be Bucks friends.

Accidentally killing a man that was attacking Buck, they'd probably look up to Buck.

Serial poisoner of women that looked at Buck the wrong way, the prison officials would separate Buck into a secure wing, for the other women's safety, I would hope.

Boiledbeetle · 29/01/2023 15:43

Oh I so hope some stupid TRAs don't know who they are and think it's real!, and then think what they fuck they're right this is Fucking nuts. There is hope for these ones.

Unfortunately a lot of them will watch it and think yeah makes prefect sense to move them into the women's after they've beaten a man. They are the ones who are Mens rights movement all the way.

mrshoho · 29/01/2023 16:51

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64444530

About time. Hope England, Wales and NI follow

queencactus · 29/01/2023 16:56

Excellent news. Some common sense has finally prevailed.

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