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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Andrew Burns AKA Tiffany Scott

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Signalbox · 28/01/2023 11:30

Wtf is going on? Another violent man being moved to a women's prison in Scotland. A man so violent they can't even take him to court and NHS staff refuse to treat him.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/new-trans-prisoner-storm-looms-29069314

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Signalbox · 29/01/2023 16:57

mrshoho · 29/01/2023 16:51

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64444530

About time. Hope England, Wales and NI follow

It’s good news but the cynic in me thinks this is their way of waiting for the public outcry to die down before re implementing another awful policy. Also I wonder what happens to the men already in the female estate?

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Feministwoman · 29/01/2023 17:05

Yes, it doesn't mention reviewing the existing Men in Women's prisons

FlirtsWithRhinos · 29/01/2023 17:17

"As the first minister pointed out last week, we must not allow any suggestion to take root that trans women pose an inherent threat to women.

"Predatory men are the risk to women. However, as with any group in society, a small number of trans women will offend and be sent to prison.

ARGHHH!!!

we must not allow any suggestion to take root that trans women pose an inherent threat to women. Why not? We accept men pose an inherent threat to women, which is why sex segregation exists in the first place. What's so special about trans women that we can say it about men but not them?

However, as with any group in society, a small number of trans women will offend and be sent to prison.

But it's not just "any" group in society, is it? Different groups have different patterns of offending. All female groups pose lower risks to women (not zero risk, but lower) than all male.

So angry with him fudging the issue! Trans women offend like men so it's entirely appropriate to treat them as men when assessing and managing the risk of their offending!

nilsmousehammer · 29/01/2023 17:28

When a male person with a TQ+ identity in a female space, claiming the privilege of being allowed to do and say anything with all the females there silenced under threat of transphobia, and who may or may not turn out to be awaiting conviction as a violent sex offender?

Yes the trans part is the inherent risk to women.

And even if the male person is not a sex offender, their maleness is excluding women from that space. Just by walking in they have presented a risk to women's inclusion and equality of access.

Signalbox · 29/01/2023 17:34

Also this wording is a bit specific isn't it? Does this mean that TW prisoners with a history of violence against other males will be allowed to be transferred?

"No transgender person already in custody with a history of violence against women will be moved from the male to female estate"

"No newly convicted or remanded transgender prisoner with any history of violence against women (including sexual offences) will be placed in the female estate."

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 29/01/2023 17:37

Yeah it’s better than nothing but no where near good enough

it’s really very simple: all men should be removed from women’s prisons

Signalbox · 29/01/2023 17:39

Copied tweets...

No. Not good enough. This is arse-covering BS from a group of "politicians" terrified the house of cards is going to come crashing down. This is buying time in the hope that this issue will go away. I trust neither SG nor SPS to "protect female prisoners".

This is intended to be a holding-pattern pending the outcome of the @ scottishprisons review. Given the "tenacity" with which the Sturgeon government has clung to TWAW for all circumstances, the vitriolic attacks on those who dare to challenge

the disgraceful abuse of process throughout GRR & the sheer amount of political pressure required to remove Adam Graham to correct what should never have happened, forgive my extreme cynicism regarding the intentions behind this statement.

Forgive my belief that once NS believes that this has died down, it will be "business as usual" with dangerous male prisoners allocated to the female estate once more.

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Waitwhat23 · 29/01/2023 17:49

Thanks @Signalbox

Hoardasaurusterf · 29/01/2023 17:54

This pause only applies to prisoners with a known history of violence against women. Not good enough! It should apply to all male prisoners! No exceptions!

Signalbox · 29/01/2023 18:07

It’s also interesting they’ve announced this on a Sunday. Suggests they really really want to put a stop to all the press coverage asap. This must be doing Sturgeon some serious political damage.

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SinnerBoy · 29/01/2023 18:16

Hoardasaurusterf · Today 17:54

This pause only applies to prisoners with a known history of violence against women.

He's no danger to women. Acquitted in 8 cases of rape. He as no history of violence towards women....

(For example)

WednesdaysNameIsFullOfWoe · 29/01/2023 18:31

Signalbox · 29/01/2023 14:14

Is it cos she is a right wing transphobic bigot who has only taken an interest in women in prison to attack trans people?

It’s sometimes hard to tell which posts are being facetious.

TheClogLady · 29/01/2023 18:32

The timing of the Bryson case really has been fortuitous.

This half hearted review isn’t enough - I don’t know how it works in Scotland but we should really be pushing for a public inquiry as to how the fuck men are wandering about, cocks out, in the female prison estate.

Even if you were being a naive wally about the inherent risks males pose to females and swallowing all the vulnerable Hayley Croppers guff, surely the fact women prisoners are sharing shower blocks with bepenised males is enough to make you go ‘hold on a minute’?

Trying to put myself in the mindset of the Be Kind Brigade (rather than the outright TRAs) and I’m pretty sure they would at least expect male trans prisoners to be using showers at a different time slot to female prisoners? Whereas Amanda up thread has bravely made it clear that the only thing between a naked female prisoner and a male prisoner is a shower curtain.

Even a mixed sex changing village at the swimming baths has lockable cubicles and swimsuit-on shower policy. These women don’t even have that much protection, and they can’t just fuck off home and self exclude due to being incarcerated!

Not that self-exclusion is the answer to any of this but at least it affords a slither of personal agency, one that these women do not have.

Blister · 29/01/2023 19:12

WomanXXWorldsOriginsofMothersofAllNations · 29/01/2023 13:37

Let’s just hope NS never gets a parking ticket she can’t pay cos showering naked with no protection with a violent sexual predator seems a step beyond the usual sanctions (that women face for time inside for non payment of fines ie speeding, TV license, etc).

OK maybe she’s lucky and skips shower time, there’s always forced meal times. Or exercise times, or a shared cell, or maybe a make-up tutorial.

You know what, I don’t care how pink, or frilly, or femme name a man adopts He.Is. Not. My. Problem.

Her time is not his validation.

@Blister I’m so sorry 💐

It's OK. I'm of the opinion now that I can't blame my parents for my mistakes. I dont frame my life around them. I'm old enough for these to be my decisions and my mistakes.

CaveMum · 29/01/2023 19:57

I have no idea if these reports are true, but if they are we could be in for a VERY interesting week ahead. When’s FMQ’s again? 😜

twitter.com/awakenedpineal/status/1619664557643010048?s=61&t=aOeFfR9aO68BcuhlveAd6A

CaveMum · 29/01/2023 19:58

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Waitwhat23 · 29/01/2023 19:59

Signalbox · 29/01/2023 18:07

It’s also interesting they’ve announced this on a Sunday. Suggests they really really want to put a stop to all the press coverage asap. This must be doing Sturgeon some serious political damage.

I'll be interested to see what happens this week. All the chatter I've seen is that the MSP's who voted for the GRR are looking at the plaudits the rebels are getting and wishing they voted differently. They're also getting a lot of correspondence from constituents. Thousands of SNP members have left since December. This stuff is on every front page. People who weren't aware of any of this stuff are talking and are horrified. It genuinely feels like a bit of a turning point.

It's gone from 'not valid' to 'SPS has iron tight safeguarding' to a humiliating climbdown. I think Sturgeon et al are hoping it'll all blow over and the SPS review can be kicked into the long grass but fortunately, there's too much focus on it now.

Signalbox · 29/01/2023 20:38

CaveMum · 29/01/2023 19:57

I have no idea if these reports are true, but if they are we could be in for a VERY interesting week ahead. When’s FMQ’s again? 😜

twitter.com/awakenedpineal/status/1619664557643010048?s=61&t=aOeFfR9aO68BcuhlveAd6A

If true the next few weeks will be fun to watch!

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beastlyslumber · 29/01/2023 20:47

Woah, this could be very interesting. Surely the end is in sight for Aunt Sturgeon.

ArabellaScott · 29/01/2023 20:52

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TheClogLady · 29/01/2023 20:54

It would be grimly ironic if the transgender sex offender topic did bring about the end of a ‘feminist to my fingertips’ female first minister’s political career.

Would presumably create quite the ripple effect re: other uk politician’s attitudes towards the transgender movement?

Signalbox · 29/01/2023 21:00

Great interview with Kate Colman (KPSS) on Free Speech Nation...

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Signalbox · 29/01/2023 21:04

Would presumably create quite the ripple effect re: other uk politician’s attitudes towards the transgender movement?

God let's hope so. I imagine Kier Starmer is watching on with apprehensive interest.

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Signalbox · 30/01/2023 07:21

Stugeon seems completely determined to lock women up with predatory men. What a horrible woman.

However, although Sturgeon agreed with the charity Rape Crisis Scotland that a rapist should not be housed in the women’s prison, a source close to her confirmed that she does not support banning trans women convicted of other sexual offences. Instead, such offenders will be subject to individual risk assessments by the Scottish Prison Service (SPS).

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/be3e3efe-9f28-11ed-b4bb-1b45ac508ab9?shareToken=6bc0e534cdf96ed0c05228967a487b42

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