Andrew Burns AKA Tiffany Scott

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Wtf is going on? Another violent man being moved to a women's prison in Scotland. A man so violent they can't even take him to court and NHS staff refuse to treat him.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/new-trans-prisoner-storm-looms-29069314

ok, so you accept that trans people thinking that social characteristics make some men women or some women men means they are inherently sexist?

Honestly candle I reached breaking point with the decapitate Terfs signs. We've been kind. We've respected feelings and pronouns, we've asked them to define feeling like a woman past clothes and toys. We've asked if third surfaces wouldn't be better. We've been shouted at, assaulted told to shut up. And now some TRA stands by politicians calling for our death.

No. I'm done. I am allowed by law to believe that you cannot change sex. Therefore anyone saying they actually are is according to my belief lying.

Now I'm not saying I'm transphobic. You can wear, do, say, feel, live how you want. You can remove and add bits to your body. You can take drugs meant for the other sex. I would have helped fight for third spaces. You deserved equality in law. But you cannot change sex.

So if someone does the above, but acknowledges they are still the same sex they've always been great, and therefore your pronouns match your actual sex, all the best. But if someone expects me to collude in their fantasy and call them the opposite sex I'm No longer prepared to do that.

Me too. I started by being more considerate but men have gone too far with it.

So not anymore. Pronouns etc you can’t change sex.

I'm confused how much transness is required for a man to win a woman's sporting competition... does it reverse male puberty advantage? Or is it fair to exclude transwomen from high profile sport but enable other women never to win their local school sports day race because? Or they only win when the transed male permits? Or is there a level of transness that allows men to shower with women in prison? Or maybe a transness that means women authors are pushed down a rung for certain awards?
It's one thing to not want single sex, non intimate activities and another to co-opt them. Make them mixed sex if you want but acknowledge this is what is happening. There is no level of transness justifiable for anything that is deemed single sex and speaking this truth is harsh. This is why the polite courtesy of be kind was initially accepted. It has been abused, so now we speak the truth until the single sex spaces for women are left alone. Wear whatever you like. Go out with who ever you want. But leave sex alone. Sex matters. That's all we've ever said. When lots of women say it together, it sounds transphobic. But all we really want are our single sex awards and spaces back. You'll note that we at no point need to scrutinise the intent of the male involved. It's not about them. It's about the women involved.

Reading through the last few pages, it strikes me.

Here is a women's rights forum.

Women have been freely, carelessly imprisoned with rapists and murderers, two of who so dangerous that their sentences have ended but they cannot be released. Due to political ideology that glorifies the male and regards the female as subhuman and irrelevant.

And what are we focusing on?

The feelings, inner lives, best interests and wishes of men, and whether we are carefully enough considering all of these things before we get a bit cross or are too unkind about this.

The people I care about are exclusively at this point the women at the sharp end of this appalling policy, and ideology, the shallow end of all this having permitted someone like Scott to be approved for the female estate. I do not include in that group anyone who was born male.

"I consider them victims of binary gender roles rather than perpetrators."

Aren't we all? But by insisting that by refusing to conform with binary gender roles they become the opposite sex, they actually entrench these binary roles even further. It makes it worse for everyone else; now non conformity is taking as a sign you are in the wrong body, rather than refusing to comply with arbitrary stereotypes. It isn't broadening the scope of womanhood, rather it narrows it still further.

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It's not an act of neutral kindness to accept trans women as women. Telling a man he truly is a woman because of how he feels inside is not like telling your friend her new hairdo looks great when it's not all that. It takes from women. It reduces women. It makes us caricatures, reduces us to a man's idea of how "women" think.

This is exactly it.

Also, got myself a brand new user name to honour this wondrous day!

I also don't think politicians up here have quite understood just how pissed off women in Scotland are. This article puts it beautifully - 4w.pub/a-message-to-those-recently-opining/

This quote is circulating various platforms at the moment

TheClogLady · Yesterday 19:51

Anyone who thinks getting a GRC is hard should have a go at bringing a foreign born partner to settle in the UK via the Fiancé/Spouse Visa > Indefinite Leave to Remain > Citizenship route

And not to mention that it costs thousands more than a fiver. Or that the authorities, against their own government guidelines, refused to accept my wife's language qualification, as she'd done a paper test, just before they went digital.

And language schools wouldn't accept her recently expired home country passport, despite Home Office legal advice and two letters from our MP, with Government headed paperwork.

He had to get her special permission to get a biometric ID, which she wasn't really entitled to, as bank cards, UK driving licence, college pass certificates, marriage certificate etc etc etc weren't enough proof of her identity.

I saw people are still awake on this thread and wondered if you all had seen this
petition to update the Equality Act to make clear the characteristic ‘sex ‘ means biological sex.

It needs 100,000 signatures for the government to consider a debate.
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petition.parliament.uk/petitions/623243

I signed some days ago.

That sounds truly shit. 💐

Dealing with Home Office bureaucracy is positively tortuous, I had hoped it was better now due to technology (we had to do the ‘queue outside the Croydon building from 4am’ thing several times) but if anything it seems worse!

I don’t even know what thread to post on anymore but did we miss this article?

Contains audio of the post-charge pre-conviction Bryson slagging Nicola Sturgeon off!

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/10132920/trans-double-rapist-isla-bryson-criticised-nicola-sturgeon/

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · Today 00:46

That sounds truly shit.

Thanks for the flowers! Yes, it was a real PITA and that's just the stuff which came to mind easily.

I also don't think politicians up here have quite understood just how pissed off women in Scotland are.

This. They completely fell for their own propaganda that the GRR was only actively opposed by a handful of unreasonable bigots.

CandlelightGlow

Over the years there has been much discussion on this board about the use of preferred pronouns so for those of us who have arrived at 'no' it has been a journey and is a considered opinion. This article explains the danger of preferred pronouns:

fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/

Well that’s a turn up for the books. Not only is Isla (or whatever his name is this week) a TW but a budding trans activist and grifter. Perhaps the SNP could find room for him on one of their “lived experience” advisory panels. He’d fit right in.

“It’s not just me, it’s for children who are coming out and who are suffering the worst from other children and their parents which is disgusting.”

BT apologised for the mix-up and offered Bryson £140. But she said: “It’s had a seriously emotional effect on me. They’ve tried to buy me off but I said I wanted £5,000 in compensation.”

Ffs. 'Deadnaming'. We know why Isa or Annie wanted to rid the name now. 'DEADNAAMING' is another one of those infantile terms that we were all supposed to fall in to line with.

Two years after my FIL's death my MIL was still receiving bills with his name on despite being notified at the time of his death. Did she demand £5000 compensation? NO, she was upset at times but dealt either it like an adult.

Did you know that Grayson Perry, beloved, eccentric, national treasure, used to wear voluminous skirts in order to hide his erection when he was walking around dressed as his alter ego, a little girl called Claire?

You have no idea what's going on in these people's heads.

You say that many trans women are a victim of gender stereotyping. And agree that, yes, it's inherently sexist.

You've answered your own questions, really. This is a feminist board. You won't find women here meeting male demands to further their own sexism.

If you need further proof of how damaging it is, there are many examples. The girl guides, for instance, an organisation set up to support girls, in a sexist world, found themselves throwing out masculine girls and welcoming feminine boys.

Butch lesbians are being told they can't possibly be girls, they must be boys.

Transwomen like Paris lees claim there's nothing better, when identifying as a woman, than being treated like a piece of meat.

Shon Fae's advice to youngsters is suck dick, get tits early.

The perpetuation of sexism, as being an inherent characteristic is utterly damaging.

No woman anywhere should be advocating for it. And you're actually on here, a feminist board, telling feminists that not doing so is unkind to men.

If someone is acting oddly I would avoid or report them, whatever is appropriate. Regardless of sex or gender identity.

You mean as the trainee beauticians did when Bryson behaved inappropriately? And were scolded for being transphobic and some stopped attending the course because they couldn't cope with what Bryson was doing and were too afraid to say anything further?

The fact that Bryson later was convicted of a double rape changes nothing.

Bryson was enabled to go into female only spaces where those females were vulnerable, in ways no other men are permitted to do.

Bryson's behaviour was protected by people insisting on women being kind, generous in interpretation, to examine ones own prejudices, and Bryson had a lovely time. Didn't he?

Because his identity is was a magic exemption from usual standards. Which is why women here are being scolded for not being sufficiently polite, kind and careful of men's feelings in their rage that killers and rapists are in female prisons under this appalling ideology.

had the woman raped in hospital and told she couldn't have been it was a single sex ward been mentioned yet?

I think we’ve lost our fellow participant

i guess she sees herself as ever so reasonable, much better than all these nasty women being mean to vulnerable men

she’s so sure of herself that she’s happy to come here and throw insults around (transphobe). But not sure enough that she can actually articulate what she believes and why when challenged

sorry to single you out CandleLightGlow, but I am so very, very tired of the rudeness of the self righteous

I suppose that is the difference between us. I just don't assume that most trans people are identifying as trans to be manipulative or predatory. That's why I would always use preferred pronouns etc

The vast, vast majority of predators are male.

And biggest group of trans people in 2023 are teenage girls and young adult women who identify as transmen or as nonbinary, so of course we don’t assume that most trans people are predatory!
That would be completely nonsensical of us.

When you ask women to permit male access to them that no other men are permitted, simply on good faith and hope that statistically the odds will be in their favour that this time they won't be harmed?

And you ask nothing at all of males in return, it's all rights with no responsibility?

And this has been driven to the extreme point where a double rapist was able to enjoy this privileged access to non consenting women and make them extremely uncomfortable before he received the conviction that justified those women in saying they were unhappy and uncomfortable?

It's gone past all tolerating.

If someone is acting oddly I would avoid or report them, whatever is appropriate. Regardless of sex or gender identity.

It's the naivete that gets me.

Women have bloody reported these men, and have been sacked, harassed and intimidated. And not just by transactivists and their allies, but by their own bosses, heads of department, and people in authority all the way up the food chain.

A woman was raped in hospital and it took her a whole year for the NHS to finally concede that she was raped, because they had maintained she couldn't have been because no men were in the ward, despite them knowing there was. It was only Baroness Nicholson's intervention that finally made them fess up. What is that if not state sanctioned rape? Report away.

And private health is no better. A woman in a private hospital had her fucking operation cancelled, purely on the basis of her views on this subject.

Posie Parker has had a police visit, where they admitted it was because she had been 'untoward towards paedophiles.'

In your head CandlelightGlow, your viewpoint and comments probably sound highly rational and fair. But you are dealing with the nationwide implementation of an ideology so comprehensively divorced from reality that it is truly insane.

All these women would have loved to have reported these men, and had some kind of recourse. They tried and were punished. And make no mistake, there are thousands. Why do you think 'no debate' has been so successful? People aren't willing to jeopardy their livelihoods or safety. They're scared.

And avoidance leads to what?

The total exclusion of women from their own spaces.

Nah.