'Breaking' - Transgender rapist won’t be imprisoned in Scotland’s all-women jail, Nicola Sturgeon tells MSPs

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Excellent news.

And Sturgeon has really shot herself in the foot here (again). Because if she really thinks 'trans women are women', why is she not allowing this 'woman' to go to a female prison?

So therefore she knows this person is not a woman.

So therefore she is being transphobic...

For fucks sake

"This highly disturbed prisoner has attacked female staff during time in prison, has admitted stalking a young girl and has been one of the most menacing people inside Scottish jails. It’s madness to send her to a women’s jail - there needs to be a better solution than this.”

Thought this was an interesting tweet by Jenny Jones -

twitter.com/GreenJennyJones/status/1618861810287022080?s=20&t=cOkFmko4GBs8bvU-pjk6rg

This is the latest being transferred to a women's prison -

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/new-trans-prisoner-storm-looms-29069314

www.alloaadvertiser.com/news/15507716.shirtless-prisoner-hurls-abuse-at-sheriff-as-she-is-jailed/

I think she's on the turn. She sees GI as a misogynistic / patriarchal tool. She's made the point that she gets more abuse from the TRAs.

I started watching the latest Glinner interview with Emma Bateman last night; the Gp are clogged up with the young blue haired people who are gender woos and have time on their hands to take on time consuming roles in the party. So set the status quo.

Those who would be more knowledgeable and sensible often have busy careers and caring roles and simply don't have the time to devote to standing for roles where they may be able to begin to effect change.

I know of a few though who are really trying. They have to be silent and secretive about their views on all this though. Or they get targeted and expelled.

Well noticed, Jenny.

Keep churning it over.

I’m half wondering if this case with the huge coverage that it’s getting will be the definitive tide turner.
NOBODY.. not even the TWAW religious extremists.. can publicly defend male rapists of women serving their prison sentence in with women available for rape. Nobody can tell the public that it’s OK even if they privately think that is OK. Especially now the public have made it so clear how unacceptable that is. Rightly so.

However so far- no policy has been changed by the Scottish government. They are happy to keep vulnerable women prisoners as collateral damage to male validation. The status quo continues therefore, apart from this one publicly scrutinized case of Isla.

The Scottish government will try to pretend it’s just this one guy- hence the ‘first rapist’ headlines.
Actually there could have been any number of them since the SPS brought in self ID in 2014 couldn’t there?

But I think this theme and this story will run and run. Not just because it’s awful enough in its details- the rapist’s access to semi naked young women while training at beauty school etc- but also because the legal team of Isla will be rallying to challenge his move into a male prison. They’ll argue rightly that the rules allow Isla to be in with women so Isla must be put back there. Because the rules do say Isla CAN be in with women and they haven’t been changed.

ALL the other male prisoners currently housed in female prisons in Scotland under self ID have not been immediately moved out of female prisons in Scotland and placed into male prisons either- and that will never happen because it would force the Scottish government to have to admit the heinous scale of the problem they themselves have cheerleaders for.

The Scottish Government can’t say they ‘didn’t know’ about something that has been allowed since 2014. They can’t say they ‘didn’t know’ about the multiple anti women effects of gender identity self-ID that women have been warning them about for years. They themselves forced through self ID in Scotland via the Scottish parliament just a matter of weeks ago.

This guy Isla is no different to any other guy under self ID. Isla’s history of multiple rapes is appalling but NO man should be in with women prisoners. Regardless of how he identifies. So there is a bigger problem here- now the general public thanks to Isla will understand how dangerous and threatening self ID is. They will hear more and more about the multiple male prisoners in female Scottish prisons and remember how the Scottish government has pushed through self ID anyway.

and- if women can shed enough sunlight on this so that the public understands the full situation - the public will start to wonder about the male born people )with gender recognition certificates that say they are legally women) now who get housed in the female prison estate IN ALL COUNTRIES OF THE UK. not just Scotland.

They will hear that most of these GRC holders keep their penises. They will realise that apart from a legal certificate there is no physical difference between the GRC-holder group versus the self-ID prisoners like Isla and the risks to vulnerable imprisoned women of being locked up with them remain incredibly high with both groups and indeed if locked up with ANY men.

Yes @Slothtoes the pressure must be kept on, a return to the status quo pre Adam Graham is NOT enough the whole edifice needs to be torn down and rebuilt with WOMEN AND CHILDREN at the heart of it NOT men and their wishes, wants and fantasies.

I've shared this on another thread: a description of some of the behaviours of the other male prisoners currently in the women's estate.

One of them is so dangerous that they have finished a life sentence but cannot be released. A prison officer resigned because this male prisoner made clear that they knew a lot about their family and address. Behaviour with other males so public and unacceptable that they had to be split up after prisoners and guards complained. They stalked, harassed, intimidated and flashed genitals at prisoners and guards on a regular basis. Fully intact males with a history of violence against women.

twitter.com/oceanbreathcafe/status/1618802678376845312?s=46&t=AiHxH-1ATVKi6tJzGzWA8A

Interesting that the newspaper had to refer to Tiffany Scott / Andrew Burns / Mighty Almighty / Obi Wan Kenobi as "she" but were able to show an uncensored photo of "her" nipples.

Women are not default human shields.

Absolutely worth repeating for all the 'but.. but .... my X would be so vulnerable because of men's maleness in prison so let's solve this by putting their maleness around vulnerable women.'

Can someone tell me the name of the trans individual who identifies as a baby in the Scottish female estate? I’m sure someone is keeping a list of the known individuals somewhere.

'Sophie Eastwood', dubbed Hannibal Lector Jnr by prison staff.

List of the known individuals can be found in this thread -

twitter.com/ForWomenScot/status/1618308946523213824?s=20&t=Th6jZO-HyFJMPnioT5oNSA

How could she be so naive though?

And even if there is a decision that rapists are not to be sent to women's prisons, given rape is now pretty much an unconvictable crime, how does one know that a male being housed in a women's prison is not a rapist? So very few of them are reported, let alone charged, let alone reach court, let alone are convicted?

twitter.com/oceanbreathcafe/status/1618802678376845312?s=46&t=AiHxH-1ATVKi6tJzGzWA8A

History of 'Sophie Eastwood', plus some of the other male prisoners in the female estate and their impact on female prisoners and staff. Their presence is leaving a trail of wreckage in their wake. At what point is an MP going to stand up and read out the names of the females harmed in the name of 'respecting' these male people's inner feelings?

Lucy Hunter Blackburn, who works as part of policy analysis collective MurrayBlackburnMackenzie, called into question SPS's thought process behind allowing men to self-id.

She wrote: "Every case transferred into the female prison estate will have been through an individual 'case by case' assessment about their suitability for transfer, by those designated as appropriately expert by the prison service.

www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/anger-trans-inmates-revert-males-25840252

Once you read the twitter thread on Eastwood, and link that to the fact that Eastwood has been through that 'case by case' assessment for suitability, it becomes apparent that Jack the Ripper probably would be risk assessed as fine in the women's estate.

Exactly, the prisoner Tiffany Scott, formerly known as Andrew Burns, currently being transferred to a women's prison is described in multiple sources as 'the most dangerous prisoner in Scotland'. He's cut open veins to spray blood at guards and sounds scary as shit. And the SPS has just thought 'ah fuck it, he says he's a woman so let's stick him in with the women'.

What the fuck.

Thank you @Waitwhat23 (great user name! Taskmaster fan? 😜) and @nilsmousehammer

Good grief, Tiffany Scott??

Admittedly I feel profound sympathy for anyone who is housed with that man, but to put him in a women's prison is insane.

Activists are often referring to the provision that allows female prisoners to be housed in the make estate if there is no way to manage them safely in the very different female provision.

They tend not to go on to say that (AFAIK) this provision has never been used.*

• I know there is one transman in the male estate in Scotland. I don't know if they are there because they are a female of exceptional violent instability, or according to their target gender.

I might be late to the party, but have you read this: www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-64430756.amp
It’s about the women who were on the beauty course with Isla.

quote- "If we said anything she didn't like, she tried to say we were being transphobic,"

Yes I'm impressed that the bbc are continuing to relay what's going on in the mail etc. On the front page of the app. Can't miss it.

It is a bit of a mystery as to why Scott and Eastwood both are not in a placement such as Broadmoor or Rampton.

There are no category A women's prisons. There have never been enough category A women prisoners in the UK to justify it. Hence the plan that a category A woman that could not be managed in the female estate could theoretically be held in provision in the male estate.

But this illustrates all over again the difference between male prisoners and female prisoners. The difference between dangerous male prisoners and dangerous female prisoners.

Scott and his ilk are not mentally ill. They are bad, but not mad. That's why they are not in Broadmoor or Rampton.

I accept in the past these places held sociopaths and psychopaths, but these are personality disorders that you can't treat. Those kinds of people go to Broadmoor. You can't do anything with them except distract and keep them away from the public.

For other dangerous people there is a small chance they will get better. You can be bad, but not mad.

They should be however:

At least in a prison they are stuck in prison.

I know that in the past going From prison to Rampton they could suddenly find threrapy works and be found to be safe to be let back out into society. They would game the system.would

But the one place they should not be is anywhere near a woman.

Thanks for the link @PriamFarrl Good to see that the story has made it to the BBC.

Every case transferred into the female prison estate will have been through an individual 'case by case' assessment about their suitability for transfer, by those designated as appropriately expert by the prison service.
What have they been assessing, the risk the resident (female) prisoners may pose to the (male) transferee, or the risk the (male) transferee may pose to the resident (female) prisoners?

What assessment criteria are they using for the (male) transferee - the criteria applicable to men or those applicable to women?

Without this clarification, the words 'case by case assessment' are meaningless in these cases.