'...the public are struggling to understand how a rapist can be put into a female prison'

[ArabellaScott]

Sue Webber, MSP, on BBC Debate night.

Discussion of GRR from 18 minutes in.

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001hl5b/debate-night-series-4-25012023

@Ramblingnamechanger I agree view, their position is either twaw and NS has given way to bigotry or twanw. In the first instance, how can they work for a bigot. In the second, how can they justify supporting the GRRrrrrrrrr!

I mean, there's going to be no resignations obviously. I'm interested in seeing how they're going to twist the facts to justify themselves.

Just read that's "she" is no longer going to be jailed in a women's prison. Wonder how long he'll keep up the farce now. Thankfully no one else has been harmed before this decision was made.

So can they get the rest of them out too now please!!

Yes. So good to hear Yvette Cooper’s clear point of view, though.

I have heard several times today on the radio that there needs to be a balance between keeping the women in prison safe, and the rights of the TG ie MALE prisoner.

This shouldn’t even be a consideration. Safety first, ALWAYS. Who cares about the rights of a rapist?

And I’ve also heard that it needs to be taken into consideration the risk this RAPIST poses potentially to FEMALE prisoners. Are they having a sick joke here??? He already is a RISK. That’s why he needs to be in PRISON.

Is Nicola actually a GC feminist who has been deep deep deep undercover all of these years? I mean no one has done more for the cause than she has done this week…

twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/status/1230837769200689155

I haven’t heard Lisa Nandy speak on today’s rapist story although listening to this short interview in 2020 and the fact she’s stayed very quiet today, I would have thought that’s because her view is they should be in a prison of the gender they chose (ie female).

Also interesting is the fact she flips the trans debate the interviewer is talking about (older adult men) to the trans debate of the distress of a younger girl who desperately wants to be a boy. The two groups we on these boards we are always talking about. Very distinct populations under the same umbrella. There’s communication going on between these two populations on social media. And people wonder why women are getting all shouty about this?

I'm asking this on all the relevant threads

So we know

Main news covering
Here covering
Twitter covering
Parliament covering
Tiktok covering
Facebook covering
Radio covering

Any others to add?

Well this conversation is going to remain in the news for another day

I bet those leggings don't see the inside of a men's prison. I wonder how long it will be before a miraculous change of 'feels'occurs..

Yes, I've seen lots of new names. It is very heartening that other women are finally waking up.
A bit depressing that they didnt see sooner, wrote us all off as transphobic, but the golden bridge is in mind. All welcome to cross it bar nicola who was repeatedly told this was a terrible idea. Worse , I believe she knew what the problems were and forged on regardless. She has damaged women by this. I cannot forgive that.

I think this will damage Nicola Sturgeon more than anything she has done up until now.

There are political arguments for and against Scottish independence, and various other policies but to introduce a law that puts a rapist in a women's prison is just plain stupid, and makes her a laughing stock.

Her ridiculous law is on the rocks within weeks, and it actually makes Westminster look sensible.

I'd like to ask Nicola Sturgeon to confirm how Isla Bryson's crime of rape will be recorded in official statistics. Will this be recorded as a Male or female crime? I read somewhere that police charge records as a woman/female. Now she's rightly been transferred out of the women's prison into I hope a male unit but yet this still goes down as a women's crime. What a mess.

BBC News - Jailing of trans rapist Isla Bryson is 'shambles', says prison chief
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64419533

Rhona Hotchkiss, who ran Conton Vale until 201, said she would have refused to have Isla Bryson in the prison.

She told BBC Scotland: "It's unbalancing rights. They are not considering the rights of women."

Go Rhona!

What rights of women?

What are women?

The whole fucking female half of the human race has been redefined and thoroughly fucked over to nurture the confused existential crisis (at best) of less than 1% of the other.

Who is agreeing that he should go to a woman’s jail? I’d like to know who I’d trying to call the shots (and avoid like the plague if necessary)

The thing I can't understand is , why has THIS case got all the coverage and the outrage when this has been happening for YEARS? I know Karen White got some coverage, but not to this extent. I remember when we all thought Laurel Hubbard would peak the world, but now we've just got so many more TW in women's sports, so what's so different about this case and why has it created such a tipping point?

Obviously thrilled that it has, btw, especially watching the mealy mouthed politicians squirming...😂

That’s what I was thinking. This case has made a mockery of the Scottish bill, and highlights everything that is wrong with it.

In Ireland, Amnesty fucking International have been arguing that the violent transwomen with a history of sexual crimes should be mixed with the women in the jail they are on the wing of. With self ID, they are legally women but are being kept strictly apart from the women. Which is reducing the time the women have out of their cells. But Amnesty is desperately concerned about the poor TWs and how awful it is for their mental health. So they are arguing that they should just have free access to the women.

I wish a journalist would ask slippery Sturgeon one really simple, straightforward question: "Do you believe Isla Blair is a woman?"

Cut through the crap. Let us hear what she thinks.

The TW concerned already have choosy choices all lined up.

Want to be in a women's prison? Ok, but it will involve very little time out of your cell.

Want lots of time out of your cell and association? Fine, that can be in a men's prison.

Which would you like?

Women get no choices btw. At all. Nowhere to identify to in order to get away from a situation wrecking their mental health and safety.

Sorry, not Isla Blair! Isla Bryson.

Then after asking her about Isla Bryson she should be asked, one by one, if she believes if any of the other tw in women's jails is a woman. Then she should be asked to name any of the actual women locked up and vulnerable to these men.

Because they've made it abundantly cleae they don't value women's safety.

That comedian- pointing out that it was awful that menopause leave had been voted down whilst advocating for trans rights.

Which is it? Does sex matter or not?

Only women have menopause.

(Incidentally I noticed that "perimenopause disorder" had been noted on my medical notes after an hrt review last week. Two years ago I was desperately trying to work out via nhs websites and others if perimenopause was a recognised "thing" and could cause such hell.)