'...the public are struggling to understand how a rapist can be put into a female prison'

[ArabellaScott]

Sue Webber, MSP, on BBC Debate night.

Discussion of GRR from 18 minutes in.

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001hl5b/debate-night-series-4-25012023

I was raging at R4 this morning missing an open goal with Yvette Cooper who said very clearly "This dangerous rapist should not be in a woman's prison".

Why no follow up question on that? Where should this dangerous rapist be imprisoned? Because if self-ID is fine by Labour then there's no other place to house this dangerous rapist because by their standards they are entitled to be treated the same as a biological woman. Her answer displays the intellectual dishonesty at work by the TRA argument. A biological female imprisoned for sexual assaulting other biological women would go to a women's prison. There's no internal logic. It's fucking bullshit and she knows it.

Errrr, scratches head a little, nope, no idea. Soz.

My knowledge of the law is purely from TV dramas, but I was wondering if an individual legal representative might suggest they transition for an easier sentence?

What I saw in this programme was a scotland totally captured by GI. I see no hope

Well let's see if the house of cards comes tumbling down.

Once you accept that it is wrong for rapists to self ID and be treated as women the whole concept of self ID crumbles in its entirety. Unless they can suggest a failsafe trans woman purity test? !

It wouldn't be very ethical but not impossible.

They certainly couldn't question a client's motives if the client suggested it as that would be transphobic.

While I really wish Isla and their ilk didn’t exist (rapists who try to claim to be women NOT TW in general) in he way they are quite helpful in shining a light on the absurdity of the situation

This is what this man's wife says:

Mrs Graham, 31, speaking to the Daily Mail, said: "Never once did he say anything to me about feeling he was in the wrong body or anything. I have a lot of sympathy for real transgender people, it's a hard thing to live with, but he's just bullsh***g the authorities.
She added: "His gender transition is a sham for attention and an easier life in prison. When I saw the photos of him dressed as a woman with a blonde wig and pink lycra leggings, I fell out of bed laughing.

I can see why he doesn't want to be in a prison with loads of big scary men, so he's come up with this ploy to get himself a much easier sentence.
"But sending him to a women's prison is outrageous – will one of the vulnerable women inmates be the next victim to be attacked by him? He won't stop, it's in his nature.
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"I have been trying to divorce him for seven years, but I haven't been able to find him to serve the papers. He's a monster and I hope they throw away the key."

This.

Once politicians start to admit that they do really mean that granting the illusion of womanhood is only for nice males who aren't a threat, then it all falls apart.

Because which males are nice enough? Who decides? The impact on females has then become the determining factor, and we all know a male does not have to lay a finger on a woman to make an entire room full of them humiliated and unsafe. Why should the illusion of womanhood be granted, at female inconvenience, as a prize to a few males who pass the purity tests?

The idea behind this was that once the worst of male sex offenders are still viewed and treated as women then they are seen as women full stop. They go where any violent sex offending woman would go because women.

However society's willing suspension of disbelief has now gone clang, because we all know. Those males are males. This is a political illusion for the kindness of males, and here's a male that's exploited the hell out of it with total disregard for females in their path.

Destruction test complete.

I really think that this could be a game changer. The emperor's new clothes are in tatters.

It's truly a mystery.

It's funny that when talking about women's issues like periods, menopause, smear tests... we are expected to talk about "people with a uterus, vagina, etc.

So why are the press not talking about this sex offender in terms of "a person with a penis"?

Someone on here will remember this better than me, but didn't some trans organisations deliberately target policy change around putting men in women's prison because once you have to accept criminal males as women in this circumstance, you can't really deny them in every other walk of life eg sports, changing areas? If TWAW then 'Isla' is a woman

What's so Fucking annoying is that we have been saying for years: Bad man or truly transwoman who knows? Because we can't tell the difference.

That photo of 16 on the spot the man man upthread sure as hell proves that.

There's very little mention of the true victims of these policies, the women. It's like we exists as...what? A pink fuzz for men to get comfy in. All about him, not the women who might be traumatised by his very presence. No individual risk assessments will be carried out on the affect he will have on them.

Like the bigger picture of defacto self id in changing rooms, toilets, wards, sports, social groups. Sometimes they'll be awareness if a woman is directly injured by a crime committed by one of these men. But how do you measure the affect when it causes an absence. The women who curtail their activities, in lives which will already be curtailed because of the ever present threat of male violence.

Let's be very clear about this - the TWAW activists have secretly convinced the authorities in a number of countries to break the Geneva Convention by housing males in female prisons.

They have been aided in this by the press who either refuse to report or deliberately obfuscate.

The journalists and women's right activists who have tried to raise this for years have been dismissed because its so obviously wrong that the general public cannot believe it can be true.

Politicians have been asleep at the wheel and now cry "if only someone had told us" as though they hadn't been ignoring, uninviting and in some cases deliberately cancelling women's groups for years.

And funnily enough it was the clothes the emperor actually was wearing, rather than not, that clinches it.

Those leggings.

Thank you Mr Rapist for showing the world how much you obviously hate your male body and are embracing womanhood. the outline of your very small pathetic cock illuminates that fact so well.

🤔

Yes. You're right, it's on record.

In response to the statement from Raab last night about the new regs in England and Wales, the yells of 'fascist bigot' had already started, and howls of 'you're driving people to dangerous surgery (to be able get into prison with women)'

The thing is with all of this, as we've seen, if you try to gatekeep which males can have full womenspace privileges with due regard to the safety and wellbeing of the women in those spaces and the impact of allowing males in there?

You've instantly got court cases and pressure groups and howling that the boundary unfairly excludes - well, violent serial rapists for example. Whose identity is as valid as anyone else's and it's cruel and inhumane to permit some males this and refuse it to others on... any grounds at all basically. It's the age old one women know: say yes to one and it is yes to all. With any agenda, with any impact. The TQ+ lobby will never permit it to be anything else. The pressure and shoving of the boundary will never end, and it will always work against the interests of females. And be wide open to abuse of system and females by males with less than pure agendas.

Which makes the only answer to all of this, no. No males in female spaces. At all. Ever. There are no circumstances in which this 'prize' of getting in with females can be achieved, that has to be taken off the table altogether. Alternative additional facilities can be provided with very little gatekeeping needed, and TQ+ people then have a choice if they prefer not to use sex based spaces.

I always wonder… What are ‘trans rights’?

They are demands, privileges above and over the rest of the population.

A demand and privilege to falsify their ID documents, including birth certificate.

A demand and privilege to live a lie and to lie to others as a matter of routine, and to criminalise anyone who might expose their lie.

A demand and privilege to choose to use whatever services and facilities they like, where others are prohibited.

A demand and privilege to be able to express a sexual fetish in public, including the workplace, even working with children.

A demand and privilege to be able to lawfully coerce others into playing a role in a sexual fetish, even in the workplace.

A demand and privilege to be able to legally violate others’ sexual boundaries.

I could go on.

The above all come under the banner of “clothing, name, marriage rights, employment, etc”

"the yells of 'fascist bigot' had already started, and howls of 'you're driving people to dangerous surgery (to be able get into prison with women)'"

And these extremists don't see how that plays out in public?

That they are now saying that these males are SO desperate that they would go and have the most extreme cosmetic surgery just so they can get into prison with women instead of being housed as the sex they are.

If they are a women they should not object to have their penis cut off with a rusty knife.

I expect women's prisons are a lot easier/safer than men's.

Given it's that easy to get allocated to a women's prison, I'm amazed that any men are opting for a men's prison.

Fucking yes. All of this. 😡

It harks back to the Lancet and its handling of the two different sexed issues.

Article on female conditions (can't remember what) - and there wasn't a single reference to woman or female. We were referred to as "bodies with a uterus" or it might have been "bodies with ovaries". Either way it was fucking appalling and made women sound like corpses, or lumps of meat.

Fast forward to the Lancet publishing an issue about prostate - any guesses what men were referred to? Yes, that's right - men. No fannying around with their language. No "bodies with a prostate" and so on. Just men.

I disagree with changing language for many, many reasons but if you're going to do it, then you can't do it for one sex and then not the other. Only, evidently they can......

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/01/26/isla-bryson-rape-womens-prisons-moved-nicola-sturgeon/

He is being moved.