Alberta MtF transgender wants assisted suicide after sexual reassignment surgery goes sour

[lechiffre55]

How as a society did we get to such a horiffic place?
“In 2009 I was rushed into having SRS before I was read[y]. Resulting in immediate regret and sterilization.”
www.westernstandard.news/news/alberta-transgender-wants-maid-after-sexual-reassignment-surgery-goes-sour/article_002cfcf0-974b-11ed-bb83-376c9cc7f373.html

I mean does it HAVE to produce fecal matter to smell like poop? I mean we certainly associate poop with a certain smell but it’s entirely possible that the matter itself is not what is producing the smell but in fact the mucus used to pack it together. I know that paints such a beautiful image and all. I am friends with a completely traumatized trans woman and she does have this problem. She packs her underwear with liners and wears thick pants to try to stifle it. I’m not pretending to be an expert on the science. I just know what I’ve experienced. I used to be a huge supporter of trans people. Her botched surgery is one of many that made me start to question things and slowly become gender critical.

@lechiffre55 possibly, yes, I just felt the need to point out that tattoos don't really deserve to be categorised with much more damaging procedures

I realise it's a derail anyway.

I have read so many heartbreaking and terrifying accounts on reddit and elsewhere of post-srs complications and regret.

It is appalling and completely immoral that children are having their whole lives destroyed in this way. Where is the accountability? Where are the ethics? Where is the care?

I mean I guess this isn’t the right attitude to have but even if this thread did sound like a vaccine conspiracy theory… (which to myself it does not, though depending on your POV it certainly might) I still wouldn’t really care because too many social media platforms have pushed extreme bias to the point of silencing, banning and intimidating those with dissenting opinions.

If the scales started to balance a bit then I might start to care again but for the moment I appreciate that mumsnet has provided a safe place to have open discussion.

If I’m being honest I know that liberals and TRA’s got the most part probably have their hearts in the right place. But if they truly believed what they think then I don’t think they would be intimidated enough to ban people for staying the wrong opinion. And I think deep down they know they are wrong and that’s why gender critical ideas are so intimidating. I mean surely the science backs them up if they are right?

But I think I was always a closet gender critical. I even remember pointing out on reddit shortly before I started supporting trans rights. I said “It feels a little bit like the conversation is happening without women.” and then my comment was flooded with “I experience misogyny now that I am a woman.” and lots of comments saying things like “But women sexually assault people too!” and I just accepted it because there were a lot of really aggressive replies and I convinced that if people this strongly it I must be the one in the wrong.

But there was always a feeling deep in the pit of my stomach that was a very uncomfortable feeling on the subject. No matter how hard I tried it didn’t go away.

The more comments that I resonated with where met with vitriolic hated and eventually deletion the more I felt like something was going terribly wrong.

Yet mumsnet does not delete opinions that are dissenting of gender critical theory. OP should be happy that we do not return the same treatment to them!

sorry I’m half awake and got this thread mixed up with another. 🤓😂 I’m going to leave it though. But just wanted to say “my bad!”

There's something else about this case, actually a couple of things, first is Lois having been cheered and enabled down one ill thought out (but well meaning) pathway, seems to be going through another, well meaning but ill thought out, pathway. This has probably already been posted about upthread.

Second, is about Lois's thoughts and behaviour. I'm having trouble articulating this, even to myself. I've no qualifications or much experience with people who might be mentally ill. I've encountered people who are obsessive (sometimes imo) also delusional. Is it possible that the thought patterns that led him down the trans pathway are also taking him this way? I apologise is this seems ignorant (which it probably is) or insensitive (which I don't wish to be).

If Canada does expand MAID to children (I think Belgium wants to and may have done so already), will they see children who are depressed, anorexic, 'trans', taking advantage to end their lives. Even if it is meant to only be with children with terminal illnesses, that's how the legislation was brought in initially for adults. It's not stayed like that, the mission has creeped. Sorry, this paragraph is a derail but it occurred to me as I was typing.

"In 2002 euthanasia was legalised for adults in Belgium who met certain criteria, the main one being that they must be in “constant and unbearable physical or psychological pain” resulting from an accident or an incurable illness. In 2014 the law was extended to children of any age who were terminally ill. In 2002 just 24 people were euthanised in Belgium. Between 2016 and 17 there were a record 4,337 cases reported to the authorities. In the same year three children were killed by lethal injection. These were the first minors since the law was broadened to include them.
In Belgium euthanasia is not limited to those with terminal illnesses. People have been euthanised because of a wide range of conditions, including depression, blindness, deafness, gender-identity crisis and anorexia. In 2014 a prisoner serving a life sentence for rape and murder was given permission for an assisted suicide"

This is from a quote my daughter has just used in an essay she is writing for a school project on assisted suicide. Belgium has a dubious record to say the least.

Thanks for that reply @HootyMcboob76 I think! That's fucking horrific! I'm not against assisted suicide, in principle, or gender reassignment surgery either but...words have failed.

Don't worry about derails, I'm bad for it myself. I'm happy to hear all thoughts and if someone goes off on a tangent that's good too.

The MAiD thing seems to be getting out of hand. I heard one story about someone who needed operation(s) and couldn't afford them, and was offered MAiD so they wouldn't go into debt. I haven't tried to verify that, so I don't know how true it is. But I keep hearing stories about MAiD being offered for ever more ridiculous reasons. The lawmakers always sell their laws as being for extreme cases, and yet the laws always ends up being applied to situations that seem totally inappropriate, that if you had asked at the time they were proposing the new law they would have said "of course not, don't be so silly".

For me one of the worst thing about Lois' case apart from how unbearably difficult life clearly is for Lois, is that there doesn't seem to be any review of the process by which Lois ended up in such a bad place that they want MAiD. Surely anyone looking at this case should be saying to themselves how can we avoid doing this to other people? It feels very much like it's Lois' problem to deal with and no one gives a flying fork if the same thing ends up happening to other people. The authorities and public services that were a part of this tragedy don't seem to care about how poor an outcome this is for Lois, and will continue doing it to other people. They don't seem to see any problem with what happened. Lois has been left alone unsupported to deal with a problem of such magnitude they would rather end their own life.

@lechiffre55
Absolutely spot on.

Do they wait until he's dead, do they hold an inquest? The why as well as the how?

Just sit back and think for a minute.
Imagine you are offering a service to help people who desperately need help.
Imagine after your help, that the person you were helping wanted to end their own life because their life was too painful to keep living. Not in a hyperbolic sense, not in an angry with you sense, that they literally wanted to end thier own life after your help.
How would that make you feel?
Imagine after that offering the same help to the next person in the sausage machine. Following the same procedure.
I don't think I could ever sleep again after that. I would just lie awake at night worrying. It would tear me apart. I cannot imagine a worse hell.

Does it make me a bad person to think they'd deserve it? But it doesn't because the surgeons must have a way of justifying, minimising, victim blaming. All those years at medical school, all that learning to heal people, to do this.

Exactly. Imagine all the other people you’ve already “helped” before and after that person. The people you can’t undo. You don’t know if they are okay or miserable like this person. Suicide has a big tendency to start a chain reaction. In history there have been suicide epidemics. It is very possible that more will follow especially since hers is so public. It’s very worrisome. I don’t know about the UK but I know in the USA there are strict company policies for journalists reporting on suicide. It must be very matter of fact. They are often forbidden or discouraged to share suicide letters especially if they are blaming certain individuals. There’s no law restricting this as far as I am aware but… it is morbidly fascinating if I’m being honest.

there doesn't seem to be any review of the process by which Lois ended up in such a bad place that they want MAiD.

There wouldn’t be because that would require them to believe MAiD is a bad thing, whereas they would consider this a success. Person in difficult situation is offered a solution which he takes, problem solved.

Another note about assistive death is how they kill people. It is not quick (has been known to take days) and nor is it necessarily painless.

I can answer this one.

They don't give a shiny shit.

I know because whilst hooked up to all sorts with tubes going in and out of all parts of me, clinging onto life, the surgeon that had fucked up the operation the day before causing me to die, then be resucitated then operated on again, stood at the end of my bed in intensive care and uttered the words.

"I didn't do this. this wasn't my fault"

My response

"Fuck off"

The bad surgeons honestly don't give one shiny shit!

Jesus, MAID sounds like something out of a sci fi horror. When I first glanced at this story over on Twitter I assumed it was a form of monetary restitution!

Strangely enough you've hit the nail on the head by mentioning money.
One injection and a quick cremation is from the Canadaian goverment's point of view a nice cheap solution. Compare that the cost of to all sorts of surgeries, and aftercare. From a bean counter's prespective it's a really cheap solution. From the human point of view it's horrifying. We are much less of a burden on the state when we are dead.

Surely if an organ is perfused with lethal drugs ( Barbiturates) it is no good for donation?
The whole thing sounds so risky with the penis inversion .
Infections, pain, just so unpleasant.
A true vagina is radically different.

Surely if an organ is perfused with lethal drugs ( Barbiturates) it is no good for donation?

That’s what I would have thought.

Horses euthanised with lethal injection cannot enter any food chain.
Surely human organs would be unsuitable?
People needing transplants are poorly enough anyway- Without organs contaminated with lethal drugs.
It sounds very strange.
Maybe not actually true.
Hope not.

I imagine to survive as a surgeon doing any procedure, but particularly riskier ones, you must have to develop a certain detachment from your patients. Patients do die and surgery is not always a success but if you worry too much over every poor outcome you would have to give up being a surgeon.

Lifesaving surgery- A risk worth taking.
Surgery in a vain attempt to mimic a woman ?
Absolutely sadistic in my opinion.
But then there are some horrific procedures done by unethical doctors.
Money and arrogance must be the drivers.

Strangely enough you've hit the nail on the head by mentioning money.
One injection and a quick cremation is from the Canadaian goverment's point of view a nice cheap solution. Compare that the cost of to all sorts of surgeries, and aftercare. From a bean counter's prespective it's a really cheap solution.

that's assuming that Canada offers SRS and then any required follow up and/or corrective surgery on the government's dime. I'm not entirely sure they do.

Talking about MAiD as a whole not just SRS. Apparently MAiD is saving a lot of money.
Governments have no dimes, those are taxpayers' dimes.

I think this is the article I read about organ donation after MAID. It's not completely one sided. It does touch on some of the concerns but is generally positive.

www.ctvnews.ca/health/canada-performing-more-organ-transplants-from-maid-donors-than-any-country-in-the-world-1.6234133