Alberta MtF transgender wants assisted suicide after sexual reassignment surgery goes sour

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How as a society did we get to such a horiffic place?
“In 2009 I was rushed into having SRS before I was read[y]. Resulting in immediate regret and sterilization.”
www.westernstandard.news/news/alberta-transgender-wants-maid-after-sexual-reassignment-surgery-goes-sour/article_002cfcf0-974b-11ed-bb83-376c9cc7f373.html

Many of them include pictures at various post op points. They are not dealing with gaping wounds. I get people on here want to pretend that no GRS surgery has ever been anything other than an abject failure but that doesn't actually change the facts of what happens. Many surgeons have huge egos and are fixated on doing the best they can - they have honed and refined their skills - they are not just hacking open wounds into bodies and leaving people to deal with it. They don't want their names attached to that.

I’m pretty sure it’s not as simple as that but I’m certainly not going to google it…

You seem confused by basic anatomy. People urinate out their urethra. The urethra is not part of the vagina on a woman. It is a small tube that in men is housed in the penis, in women it exits well above the vagine. In surgery, the tube is removed from the penis. It can be routed in surgery to wherever the surgeon wishes to place the tube based on whatever plan he or she follows. I don't think any place the urethra in the vagina.

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There are a very significant number of post op TW that need daily catheterization just to be able to pee, some who have even needed more permanent urine bags, some who have ended up with colostomies even.

I don't think it's odd for a non medically trained layperson to question exactly how things are re-routed during a largely experimental surgery.
Exulansic did some very interesting YouTube videos on the surgical complication rates and subsequent long term problems these surgeries have caused many people.

The failure rate and need for surgical revision is far greater than many other surgeries. Some have had revisions numbering into the high teens.

I get the urethra is not part of the vagina, but in a sexual reassingment surgery from male to female where does it end up? To judge that against a female anatomy seems unfair.
For example in a woman the urethra and vagina are separate. In a male the urine and semen meet up and end up travelling down the same tube after the prostrate. If there is no cervix in a male, it might be fair to assume that in MtF SRS that the neovagina might be where the urine comes out. That this is not true for females is fine, but when we are talking about MtF SRS then it seems a bit funny to say "well that's not how it works in females".
As musingsinmidlife pointed out a surgeon can probably route it wherever they want, but if it gets routed in or near the neovagina and there isn't a word for it then what are we supposed to call it? A neovagina isn't a vagina, it doesn't lead to a cervix or a womb, so I don't understand the determination to equate a SRS neovagina to a vagina unless of course you think they are exactly the same and equal?

None of i don't think Are confused by basic anatomy.

This on the other hand, they are making penis from thigh or arm skin. Women ending up with their phallus nearer their belly button than anything. Vaginas from penises. Who knows where they make the pee come out of but for some of them it ends up being into a bag on the outside of their body.

Brefugee · Today 11:15
this is a reason that I'm fine with trans people not having any surgery. It's better not to undergo potentially life-threatening (physically or mentally) if it can be avoided at all.

I agree.

When he says ‘of 14 year’ does that mean his age, or that he has suffered for all that time post his operation.

Those days of confusion and migraines where he wondered where his penis had gone sound like living hell.

Tinsel Angel, I am guessing he wasn’t an adult with AGP type of transitioner but more a pressured, effeminate, possibly autistic, youth sort.

Yes, I thought this too. Some trans people are desperate to have surgery, and surely to God the pros and cons and risks are spelled out to them? If they are not, then the surgeons are negligent.

What did I say that got me deleted 🤣

Anyhoo, hope the person in questions gets some support. Feel awfully sorry for them.

Is that ok? Can that stay 🫣

A few systematic reviews

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7984836/

www.nature.com/articles/s41443-020-0304-y

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8099405/

hqlo.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12955-020-01510-0

www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2050052122000129

I'm convinced surgeons get special training to give bad surgical outcomes, prior to operating on someone, in the best possible light. Over the years I've had a lot of necessary surgery. And they are very good at being positive about all the benefits and glossing over any of the bad bits in the hope that you don't stop and ask a specific question about eg, , "what do you mean when you say 50% post op pain? For 24 hours? A week? Years?".

They give you the barest of info to legally cover their arse itf something goes wrong. After all most surgeons enjoy operating, or they wouldn't do it, so even in the nhs they have a vested interest in you having the surgery.

When DS had his surgery over ten years ago, we asked if his condition would impact life expectancy. We were told that since the operation he had was only developed in the 1980s they couldn’t give us a definite answer. Fortunately, the vast majority who had his surgery in the 1980s were still alive.
we have no idea what the impact of these surgeries will be over the next 10, 20 or 50 years. There’s some evidence from the Eastern European athletes who were given testosterone that the long term effects are not good.
I think these surgeries should only be offered as the absolute last resort when all other therapies have been tried.
The only people benefiting at the moment are the drug companies.

As a neovag isn't self cleaning. How is it kept clean? A bottle brush? Or is the urethra left but shortened so urine can flush it. If it's rerouted to approximate the position in a woman's body, isn't there a chance that tissue healing might pinch it closed?

If years ago I'd said to 15 year old you "cake one day there will be this thing called the internet and you'll be on there talking about men's penises being turned into neovaginas and you'll be wondering about using bottle brushes to clean it" I wonder what youd have thought?

@Boiledbeetle I think I've used the word 'cunt' more since I joined MN, than in all my years prior. But then again, I'm not Australian. The fact that I'm in a space where 'cunt' is more acceptable than 'c*lt' will always be the most surprising thing about this site.

I am curious, but I don't want to find out for myself, I'm frightened what else i might discover.

15 yo me was a bit of a wuss.

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I think the problem is that these procedures are actually called ‘sex reassignment’ surgery. The truth is far more brutal - sex is immutable, is determined very soon after conception and so NO amount of surgery can change someone’s sex.
the #bekind movement has a lot to answer for.

Yep, urethral strictures, happens commonly.

Also depending on the surgery, and how the neo vagina is constructed, and even though electrolysis is usually carried out prior, hair can start growing inside the new opening.
I'm assuming the penile inversion surgery was used in these cases.
There is also a surgery where part of the colon is used to create the "vaginal canal". There are reports of those people experiencing smells that you would expect to come from a colon, and leakage that you would expect to come from a colon (because it IS still colon tissue).
These are actual stories from post op TW, not something I've plucked from the air in order to make these surgeries look any more barbaric than they actually are.

What smells and leakage come from colon tissue?

Smells and leakage in the colon generally come from the food and liquids that are consumed and pass through it and the breakdown and byproducts of that process. I am curious regarding your knowledge of what smells and leakage one would expect to come from colon tissue that is not being used as part of the elimination track, is not connected to the digestive system, and does not come in contact with any elimination products?

I think these surgeries should be the exception. That a guy in his 20s was able to get one, is astonishing. I've read a few threads today and I can't remember where I've seen what, but detransitioners and their treatment came up. It is very reminiscent of how some of the newer, more niche or the more fundamental religions treat apostates. I've heard stories of young men being encouraged into surgeries, the whole sissification thing and castration cults. Male sexuality is very strange sometimes.

Anyway, I feel I've gone off track. Lois has been badly let down and I'm sure there is plenty of blame to go round. He may not be able to totally absolve himself, but I don't feel he wants to do that. I'm sorry for him, I hope a way can be found for him to carry on. I hope there is a future for him with joy in it.

@musingsinmidlife
The colon secretes mucus to bind and lubricate mostly solid food waste passing through. In addition there are friendly gut bacteria that absorb remaining carbohydrates.
Both of those probably have the potential to produce odours that we would associate with the odour of feces.

Surely the colon secretes mucus, at the very least? Probably other secretions related to digestion. There's probably a whole microbiome involved as well.

Of course there won't be fermented food smells, but the rest is unchanged.

One last stinky ingredient. The colon also sheds dead cells from the intestinal mucosa. These normally go out with the feces. In a noevagina I have no idea how they are removed. Back to being flushed by urine perhaps?

""After colovaginoplasty surgery, can there be a bad smell in the vagina?
To perform a colovaginoplasty, a segment of the large bowel is used to make the vaginal cavity. Like the large bowel, this segment placed in the vaginal cavity secretes mucus of colonic origin and harbors bacteria of colonic origin, so that mucus emissions can occasionally occur through the vulva and sometimes with a bad smell due to germs present in that mucosa. However, the emission of this mucus is beneficial for sexual intercourses since they are completely lubricated and pleasant"

(from a doctors website)

Look on any forum for post op TW who have had this done.
It's their experiences, not my words.

cirugiagenero.com/en/colovaginoplasty.php

That quote was from here BTW.

Do you think that because colon tissue has been transplanted somewhere else it stops thinking it is colon tissue?