Alberta MtF transgender wants assisted suicide after sexual reassignment surgery goes sour

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How as a society did we get to such a horiffic place?
“In 2009 I was rushed into having SRS before I was read[y]. Resulting in immediate regret and sterilization.”
www.westernstandard.news/news/alberta-transgender-wants-maid-after-sexual-reassignment-surgery-goes-sour/article_002cfcf0-974b-11ed-bb83-376c9cc7f373.html

It's all so depressing. I can't imagine wanting something so much (to be a woman, for eg) and have the surgery and all the time you are surrounded by cheerleaders (which is affirming therapy/treatment) and not really taking in the possible downsides.

I don't know how much advice, therapy and explanations are given pre surgery, but I'll take a punt that in many cases it isn't enough. Nowhere near enough.

Why would the sealed up neovagina affect urinating?

@katepilar
If the neovagina heals shut how is the urine getting out?

Because of course, most people, having opted for unnecessary and expensive surgery often to a chorus of 'are you sure about this?' from family and friends, feel pressure to play down any side effects because perhaps they feel a bit foolish — and there's no going back anyway. I'm in a reading group with a woman who had cheek implants and other procedures last year after a long period of dithering and discussing it with us. I had thought, from everything she has said about the results, that she was thrilled — that's what she's told me. Apparently in private she's devastated, worst thing she could have done, etc...

Just went down a rabbit hole looking up nullification surgery and stumbled upon a surgeon who does both nulliification and 'Gender confirmation' surgery.

I must admit the MtF surgery pictures looked genuinely realistic as vaginas. Surprisingly so. I've read some horror stories, including this poor individuals, so how they function in practice I don't know.

As said upthread it probably matters a great deal how the procedure is done it seems.

@Brefugee
The politics of the process have vastly overtaken the needs and outcome of the individual. That's why detransitioners are so revilled by the TRAs. They don't care about the individual, they care about the religion.
To come out the other side and not have your issues resolved, but instead to have a whole new bunch of issues added on top of your old issues must be so difficult to deal with.

For people to make a rational decision over something this impactful they must be in a rational state of mind and have all the facts. A lot of people going through the process have serious mental health needs which impedes their ability to make the best decision, and then on top of that are fed propaganda not facts from which to make the decision. What chance do they stand?

Are you a man? Why do you think urine comes out of a vagina?

To be fair, we're talking about a surgically created hole in a man's body where his penis and testicles used to be. Why should anyone know where his wee is coming out and how it might be affected if his hole seals up?

@Kissedbyfire1
Because I used the word neovagina. If there used to be a penis, and now there's a neovagina. I am assuming that an exit route for urine is part of the whole neovagina and surroundings.
If you have a better word for the urine exit when a penis gets changed into a neovagina it would be helpful for you post that word please.

Meanwhile, on twitter IW is confidant that this will happen:

'You can bet your bottom dollar that when trans women start having babies (which is inevitable) the goalposts will move again.'

^^

Or don’t make it available on the overstretched NHS for a start. Give them time to think while saving up ey.

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I remembered reading that peak time for suicide was 7-10 years after transition. The point where you have done everything you possibly can in terms of hormones and surgery and you look at yourself and realise it's futile, you can't change sex. Only now you have all the complications of what you've put your body through as well as the issues you were trying to solve by transition. It's pretty sad.

Further reading here:

www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2020/02/60143/

Transition as Treatment: The Best Studies Show the Worst Outcomes

From the article:
The largest and longest of these, a Dutch study in 2011 of those on cross-sex hormones, found that, while outcomes for the female-to-males seemed generally positive, for the much larger male-to-female group—72.6 percent of the total—“total mortality was 51 percent higher than in the general population, mainly from increased mortality rates due to suicide, acquired immunodeficiency syndrome [AIDS], cardiovascular disease, drug abuse, and unknown causes.” The timing of the suicides also provides important information. None occurred within two years of treatment, but “there were six suicides after two to five years, seven after five to ten years, and four after more than ten years of cross-sex hormone treatment”.

I mentioned this on a thread recently, iirc in relation to children/ 'diagnosis' / management.

Not only are we medicalising gender non conformity in childhood, we are setting them up to be life long medical patients, it is highly likely they will have early deaths due to ill health and now also potentially more likely to apply for assisted suicide to avoid aging with a body that's so damaged.

Their whole lives l

I can't imagine how the aged body will cope with the damage done, high risk for utis, heart disease and osteoporosis in particular.

Why isn't this part of the narrative?

And here's detransitioner Isaac discussing this topic. Thought-provoking bit on compassion and the importance of tough love.

Nothing about gender ideology is good for women in any form.

It's not great for men though of course benefits them more.

How old are the first kids to go down this pathway? People like Jazz Jennings and Kim Petras are pioneers, they're still only young. We have no idea how this plays out for people long-term.

No no no. Any doctors, therapists, psychologists etc who have carried out/encouraged an individual to have these drastic , major operations should be sued until their pips squeak.

Every last one of them.

Gender hospitals, NHS, anyone who recommended these procedures.

We have no idea how this plays out for people long-term.

No we don't.

But here's Rene Jax, who must be in his 70s (?) saying, please don't do it. My body is fucked. (Transitioned in his 20s.)

m.youtube.com/watch?v=lN0sT6bHjR8

Also wrote, "don't get on the plane, why a sex change will ruin your life." In 2016.

www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/40186415-don-t-get-on-the-plane-why-a-sex-change-will-ruin-your-life

I think most conversations are shut down as transphobic so it's probably got to full circle with the vulnerable as collateral damage.

You know what, fuck it. The day that happens yeah fine you're a woman.

But until then........nope not a woman.

That's my lifetime sorted anyway. And most certainly quite a few generations after me as well. Thanks IW.

I do wonder about informed consent and how thoroughly people understand about how the surgeries work and the possible complications. Essentially, they are taking their healthy bodies and becoming life-long medical patients. There are a lot of complications that can arise because, basically, gender surgeries are still very experimental.

We know health literacy is low and that many people don't understand how their bodies work and really don't understand how bodies of the opposite sex work. There is a lot of wrong information out there (i.e. puberty blockers are completely reversible) about the surgeries like that gynecologists can't tell the difference.

DS had to have open heart surgery as an infant (he's fine and healthy now). I vividly remember the surgeon sitting us down beforehand and going through all of the possible outcomes and complications (including death). The longer he spoke the more I cried, but I know that he had to explain all of the possibilities so that DH and I could consent for the surgery. I wonder if people, specially young people, are given ALL of the facts and information about the surgery and the possible outcomes.

If you have a strong stomach and can get past the language they use, the fruit farms have a thread on SRS/GRS.

There are a lot of girls who have jumped into horrendous mastectomy and phallo surgeries (which have a high complication rate) at a very young age, who I fear will represent a huge wave in MAiD applications.