Alberta MtF transgender wants assisted suicide after sexual reassignment surgery goes sour

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How as a society did we get to such a horiffic place?
“In 2009 I was rushed into having SRS before I was read[y]. Resulting in immediate regret and sterilization.”
www.westernstandard.news/news/alberta-transgender-wants-maid-after-sexual-reassignment-surgery-goes-sour/article_002cfcf0-974b-11ed-bb83-376c9cc7f373.html

I assum you were replying to me, don't know why I got deleted

I don't agree with that either. I think trans women are trans women, and would advocate third spaces rather than access to woman's spaces either on the basis of gender identity or surgery. I think if we use surgery as a criteria it puts pressure on trans women to have that surgery to "prove" their trans ness.

I agree with Mirabda Yardleys position as per this interview - "That transwomen are biologically male is morally neutral, it’s not a value statement, it’s not saying it’s a good thing or a bad thing: it just is"

medium.com/@mirandayardley/what-gender-critical-means-to-me-feminist-current-interview-e40d6906bfc2

And also germaine greer which I won't quote in case I get deleted again

@TinselAngel
I think the problem is that sexual ressignment surgery is often seen as a magic bullet solution that cures anything and everything. While it might be the right solution for some, it's clear it's not the solution for a vast array of problems.
For political rather than medical reasons it has been adopted as the magic cure all, and when a person undergoes SRS and it doesn't cure their problems this comes as a shock. There is also no longer a magic pill being dangled in front of them that promises to fix everything. You can't just have more SRS if the first batch isn't enough.
This must be a shattering moment for those who go through it. You've undergone massive surgery that's going to have a lifelong impact, and the problems are still there.
Dealing with mental health problems should happen before SRS not afterwards.

Dealing with mental health problems should happen before SRS not afterwards

I agree. But won't the ban on 'conversion therapy' wrt feelings of gender incongruence prevent this from happening?

Doctors/plastic surgeons can not repair birth injuries to a satisfactory level.

'First, do no harm'

This must be a shattering moment for those who go through it.
They're not my concern, their families and spouses are 🤷🏻‍♀️

Many well established surgeries have different ways of doing the surgery. That is 100% normal in the surgical world. The goal is always to progress and refine how a surgery is done and new techniques or approaches are always being developed. Different surgeons prefer different ways of approaching the surgery.

Individuals research different doctors who do the procedure in different ways and then go with whom they wish. after consultation.

Canada. What a place eh?

”I want to be a woman.”

Changes laws to make it happen.

“I want immediate surgery.”

Changes laws to make it happen.

“I regret the surgery and want to die.”

Changes law to make it happen.

This is the worst possible outcome of gender affirmative treatment unique to Canada: normally all the iatrogenic problems come with a fix. It’s a fix, for a fix, which was a fix for a fix. You’re infertile? We’ll freeze sperm. You’re sterile and have no eggs/sperm to freeze? You can use a donor or surrogate. You have reduced bone density? We will fix that with bisphosphonates. You have intense uterine pain from testosterone? We will fix that with a hysterectomy. And so on and so on…

Now Canada has the ultimate fix available when all the other fixes don’t fix it anymore. “We’ve run out of fixes. How about we help you die?”

And the worst part is, they won’t stop and think they should never have started down such a pathway in the first place. They’ll just plough on trying to make the fixes better with fewer complications. Because the doctors are butchers and monsters who’ve lost all sight of what they’re supposed to be doing in the profession for the sake of ideology. And the politicians are the same for enabling them.

Yes.
That's the prime objection to the conversion therapy ban. It's so badly worded and vague that it will probably ( especially given how toxic the TRAs are ) result in trying to help people with mental issues becoming a criminal offense.

Notice how much the wording matters.
Hypothetical siutuation: We have a person who says they are trans. Mental health professionals assess what the best course of action is to guarantee the best outcome for the patient. It could be dealing with mental health issues. It could be sexual ressasignment surgery. It could be both.

If we descibe the process of assessment and care for an individual as "assement as care" it sounds very sensible, if we describe it as "conversion therapy" it sounds awful.
Language is being used for political reasons that goes aginst the best interests and outcome of the patient.

Imagine if the person in the original post had been offered mental care that helped them resolve their issues, and they didn't need to end their life as a result of surgery that made their life unbearable. How much better would that result have been for them. Such a sad state of affairs.

Stories like this are going to become a very frequent occurence over the next decade.

There is going to be many people who had surgery, both men and women, who come to realise that it isn't a magic bullet, the results are nowhere near the perfect image they had in their head, the ongoing pain and complications.

There will be many people who feel let down, lied to and depressed. They will see this as the only way tho make out all stop.

And it's all so bloody pointless. This is why surely it must be better to learn to accept that the body you have is the body you have. Change everything else you want, your job, you're name, your clothes, but your body? I can't get behind that.

I don't even understand people getting tattoos, boob jobs and lip fillers. So mutilating perfectly healthy bodies for suboptimal results and a life time of issues.no. That shouldn't happen.

I do hope researchers are looking into this and keeping good records to ensure that the mental health of trans people is being well supported by current methodology.

Will nurses/carers be expected to dilate an elderly and/or dementia patient?

So less of a brave new world, more of a botched new world.
I feel so sorry for those who had full faith in surgical procedures and believed themselves to be pioneers.
Too much has been glossed over, not enough research across the board.

I expect so, tbh carers already do some pretty intimate stuff for their patients(?) So long as their trained for it, it's just another for the list. I can envision problems though when carers who aren't happy caring for men and tw who want female carers cross paths. There was that Gussie Gripper story of the tw with dementia who was distressed because he'd had his penis removed. Which Lois says they experience during a period of illness. That's dark, and surreal.

Canada is a complete shit show right now. The sooner Trudeau does an Ardern the better.

Have you seen the medical advice on alcohol in Canada? Cut to two beers a week. At the same time they are decriminalizing crack and heroin.

You can't just have more SRS if the first batch isn't enough.

No but you can have your facial features altered. Which involves yet more cost and painful procedures.

And the end result still won't guarantee happiness because that will really hinge on how others perceive you. Many transwomen in particular still look obviously male even after all that surgery. Even with an F on their passports.

It's not the magic cure for all, that's for sure.

Not sure what the point would be.
If the neo vagina is there to serve the purpose of penetrative sex, then would very elderly/dementia patients that are at a point where they can no longer do it themselves, be in NEED of keeping their neo vagina patent?

I can’t find a reference at the moment, but Spain they’re no longer offering phalio surgery (creating penises for trans men) as the rate of complications is so high.

It is barbaric and so sad to read. We are going to look back on these days in the future and be rightly stunned at how people were treated - with no legal protection - and what it has done to their lives.

I really hope they have plenty of real life support and can find a way through such terribly difficult times.

I believe the upper recommended alcohol intake is zero in Canada now. It’s just been updated. The reasoning is that all alcohol is bad for you.
A good reason not to live there tbh - somehow they seem to be creating conflicting nonsensical woke laws and stipulations that are becoming more bizarre by the day.

www.nytimes.com/2023/01/18/world/americas/canada-alcohol-health-guidelines.html

I really feel for this person it must be awful so I do have empathy for the pain they must be in.

At the same time I find it difficult to accept that people push and push for this surgery, see counselling as conversion therapy and then are unhappy and regret their decision and it’s suddenly that they were vulnerable or not made aware of the complications and it’s not their fault. There has to be some accountability. It’s their choice.

Unsurprisingly having MtF or FtM surgery doesn’t make some feel whole or complete because it’s deeper than that but they will not entertain that idea when they are seeking their ultimate goal.

Agree with this. While I have views about TW in sport and don’t believe it is possible to change sex, I think wherever possible mutilating surgery (and it is mutilating) should be avoided and definitely shouldn’t be a requirement for legal recognition of gender.
I think this view is entirely consistent with TWAW and therefore a TW’s body is a woman’s body (but not a female body) and doesn’t need surgical intervention.

Sorry, please ignore my post above. I thought it was Spain, but now I can’t find where I read that or any other info.

This article reminds me of Nathan Verhelst’s tragic story. I wish society hadn’t let him down, over and over again.

www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-24373107.amp

I really hope Lois finds the help she needs to get through this. There must be other trans people in same situation who understand how she feels.