Non-binary biological boy at DD's girls' school: toilets

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Hello, a non-binary biological boy has started at DD's girls' school.

Are there any regulations around what toilets they need to use? I just wondered what the actual legal position on this is. Thank you.

Bring it up with the Head. If he/she fails to acknowledge the problem, take it to the Telegraph. Name and shame. I'm sure plenty of fee paying parents who read the 'Graph would like to know that the single sex school they paid for has, without consultation, turned co-ed.

These individuals foisting gender ideology on society must be held accountable - publicly, needs be.

Nonsense. The ‘non-binary’ child is a boy. His legal sex is male. He will grow up to be a man. His presence makes the school mixed-sex.

This was my thought. I sure as hell wouldn't be happy with it

In June 2018, the Department of Education reissued guidance from the Department of Education on the responsibilities of school in relation to ‘gender separation’.

Paragraph 13 clearly states:

“It is permissible for toilet and boarding accommodation facilities to be separate as they are captured under existing statutory exceptions. Separate toilet and washing facilities must be provided for boys and girls aged 8 years and over pursuant to Regulation 4 of the School Premises (England) Regulations 2012, which falls within the exemption provided for in Schedule 22 of the Equality Act 2010.”

That says, to me, any mixed sex provision should have the sinks enclosed. The PP who mentioned building regs may have something more specific.

Many thanks @Phos.

Oh! I didn't see this. I'd be more curious to ask them about thjs.

Wouldn't non binary students be better placed in a mixed sex school?

How can you be non binary then get in a girls school if your male?

How does that work?

Really weird that the kid doesn't even identify as a girl!

Theyre not a boy. Theyre non binary.

There's no such sex.

As the prep is co-ed, I'm assuming they attended there and perhaps wanted to stick with the same friendship group etc for the senior school.

@findmybalance - we are a sexually dimorphic species. People are either male or female.

This child is a boy. His identity is of no relevance when it comes to single sex schools. The OP's child is in a single sex school. The whole premise of single sex schools is that they only admit pupils of one sex ergo a girls school is only for children who are female.

This boy isn't.

HTH

No.

Excellent.

I'm sure the head will take these thoughts right on board.

I agree they should be in a mixed sex. But calling them a boy isnt an answer to anything.

Poor kid. What happens if their identity as non binary changes? What if - as many do - they become comfortable with their male sex? Presumably the school would make them leave?

Whilst I know this is what is being pushed for, I'm surprised it's happened so soon.

Quite a bold move from parents of said NB boy.

I think I'd assume they're an NB girl who has taken steps to masculinise their appearance (don't forget mastectomies can be called gender affirming for NB girls, not just transboys) until I had proof otherwise.

If it's really true, then personally I'd need a refund on my fees. Segregation of education by gender ID is dangerous, unprecedented and risks forcing gender identities on all the children whether they want them or not.

If it's really true, it suggests transboys and NB girls would need to leave the school, which would be a cruel thing to do to an already troubled adolescent female.

Are they bound by rules regarding fair advertising? They've advertised and taken money based upon it being female only. Now it isn't and all existing parents have been misled by their false advertising.

Years ago I worked for a very well known private boy's school. They had one lone female pupil (poor kid). She was the daughter of a member of staff, as staff were allowed to send their DCs at a substantial discount. Thus was the only way a girl could attend. Presumably the perk had to be expanded to allow daughters as well as sons so as not to discriminate? Although why the hell you'd put your daughter through that, I don't know. She always looked so sad and alone. No idea what happened with toilets for her, but even female staff toilets were few and far between there...
Could it be something going on like this OP? (Not that it makes it any better)

I don't know about advertising law and private schools, which usually are charities if that makes a difference.

But calling them a boy isnt an answer to anything.

"Non binary" is literally meaningless. Everyone has a sex, and this child is male.

They are selling based upon advertising. If they describe themselves as single sex, and people pay money based upon it being single sex, then it seems to be a case of false advertising.

They're not, but that's fine.

I dont imagine the head will pay much heed to that line of argument regardless.

Is this school in Sussex?

@findmybalance says calling this child a boy isn't the answer to anything.

I have to disagree, Balance. It's the answer to 'what is a juvenile human male called?', which this student seems to be. At a girls' school.

You see the problem?

There'll be loads of parents at that school who specifically chose a girls' school for their daughter. These people have money.

They will not be happy.

I dont disagree, at all. I dont agree they should be there and I can see why people arent happy.

But the child is non binary which complicates the discussion. Sticking fingers in ears going la la hes a boy doesn't change that.

If PP want to suggest they could just March up to the school and inform the head hes a boy, well, each to their own.

They're not a boy. They're non binary.

If they were born a boy, they’re a boy. Now and forever. They can, of course, identify as non binary and should be able to do so without fear of discrimination or bullying. That’s how it should be, but that shouldn’t give them access to a girls’ school. Because they’re not a girl. Boys who identify as boys, boys who identify as non binary, boys who identify as girls do not belong in a girls’ school. Because they’re all boys.