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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Miriam Cates abuse in HoC by Lloyd Russell-Moyle

411 replies

ArabellaScott · 18/01/2023 12:50

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I thought MPs were bound by some standards of behaviour?

Yesterday the leader of the SNP at WM called his peers 'rabid gammon', which was shocking, but what I found more disturbing was Llloyd Russell-Moyle's verbal attack on Miriam Cates (clip above).

I actually found his behaviour frightening and alarming, and can't imagine how it must feel to have that venom directed at you by a colleague - let alone the slanderous accusations made.

Is it possible to make a complaint to the Labour Party about his behaviour?

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SinisterBumFacedCat · 20/01/2023 18:48

Jesus how does he still have a job?

Bubblebathpanda · 20/01/2023 18:49

I’ve just used the form posted on this thread to complain. First time I’ve ever done anything like that, but was disgusted by his behaviour!

Mollyollydolly · 20/01/2023 18:55

Thank you Paul Bristow MP for putting yourself between Miriam and that deranged lunatic. If Starmer doesn't act after this he can whistle. It really is shocking behaviour.
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Boiledbeetle · 20/01/2023 18:55

ResisterRex · 20/01/2023 18:33

I honestly can't see how he can be allowed to get away with his behaviour. It's not just us on here going what the fuck. It's everywhere going what the fuck isn't it.

Wonder if the obnoxious little bully is still proud of himself. Bet this isn't getting the Twitter reaction he thought it would.

ArabellaScott · 20/01/2023 19:03

Boiledbeetle · 20/01/2023 18:55

I honestly can't see how he can be allowed to get away with his behaviour. It's not just us on here going what the fuck. It's everywhere going what the fuck isn't it.

Wonder if the obnoxious little bully is still proud of himself. Bet this isn't getting the Twitter reaction he thought it would.

Yes, that's way beyond normal behaviour. I did notice Paul Bristow sitting close to Miriam Cates, it's a fucking abominable state of affairs in 2023 that a female MP needs a fucking male escort in the HoC.

Sack this shit.

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ResisterRex · 20/01/2023 19:04

Between this, and the "eat shit" chants aimed at Starmer (at a "protest" with someone who's done 30yrs for seriously violent crime), I can't see how it's not a gift for one of the Sunday papers.

Plus LRM and his idea that schools should teach minors how to "safely" auto asphyxiate. And all their insane statements like this of Whittome's (also at the "eat shit" event):

twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1442822907399397380?s=46&t=RPv8IhdaspbeZIm2xGPxJA

And the female MPs who claimed not to really know what happened to Duffield in Parliament this week.

And Creasy and drag time:

thecritic.co.uk/gory-stories/

And Nandy and the rights of male rapists to be incarcerated with women:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=oUon9j1zJ_E

Come on journos, this is like shooting fish in a barrel. And I haven't even listed the SNP or the Greens!!!

Boiledbeetle · 20/01/2023 19:09

I've said this before but Honestly the only reason i keep paying my membership is so they have to listen to me when they make the mistake of ringing me to see if i would stand as a candidate or to get me to vote for someone. It's worth the money for that alone.

But I'm rapidly not seeing any way forward for me and the Labour party with the way it is at the moment. It's to ill. The rot is too deep. They need to go scorched earth and start again.

PronounssheRa · 20/01/2023 19:22

mobile.twitter.com/Laura__Farris/status/1616500925060812803

I’m so glad this creepy weird behaviour has been called out today

Boiledbeetle · 20/01/2023 19:30

PronounssheRa · 20/01/2023 19:22

mobile.twitter.com/Laura__Farris/status/1616500925060812803

I’m so glad this creepy weird behaviour has been called out today

I'm glad to see so many people finally going WTF. The TRA s have been behaving like this for so long. Seeing it spill over into "real life" has given everybody a shock I think.

Mollyollydolly · 20/01/2023 19:35

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ResisterRex · 20/01/2023 19:36

Seeing it spill over into "real life" has given everybody a shock I think.

I thought this and I hope it has.

ArabellaScott · 20/01/2023 19:45
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nilsmousehammer · 20/01/2023 19:49

That event and clip needs its own thread. It's shocking.

An angry man feeling entitled to break all the rules, follow his impulses and invade a woman's space to intimidate her for daring to disagree with him.

Are male MPs allowed to randomly abuse women in parliament? Or is there the kind of basic expectations of behaviour and ability to maintain standards that the average playgroup can manage? Starmer and Sunak and the Speaker - where the fuck are you? Where are the consequences?

And yes, the general public (and hopefully the MPs) will start to realise from this live action demonstration just why women want and need spaces where strange, entitled and badly behaved men cannot treat them any way their whims happen to take them.

Mollyollydolly · 20/01/2023 19:57

I really wish the mainstream channels would pick up on it. They're all too busy talking about Sunaks bloody seatbelt. It infuriates me so much. This story has been bubbling on social media all week, where are the parliamentary commentators?

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 20/01/2023 20:00

Thank you cards sent to Miriam and Rosie today. Looks like I might need to send one to Paul Bristow too.

Formal letter of complaint sent to the Speaker questioning LRM's unprofessional and unparliamentary behaviour in the Chamber. Made it clear that as a voter this damages the reputation of Parliament. Making accusations of transphobia, dismissing women's concerns and what could be construed as active intimidation - all done publicly on camera. How many other workplaces would allow that and how can women trust parliament to represent them when people like LRM behave like that.

Boiledbeetle · 20/01/2023 20:10

You know I'm beginning to wonder at what point in my life the sliding doors moment happened.

There I was 19ish voting Labour regularly insulting Gyles Brandreth when on the same train each week to now I'm sending emails to conservative mps and making official complaints about Labour mps.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/01/2023 20:10

Come on journos, this is like shooting fish in a barrel. And I haven't even listed the SNP or the Greens!!!

Or the Lib Dems.

ResisterRex · 20/01/2023 20:22

Boiledbeetle · 20/01/2023 20:10

You know I'm beginning to wonder at what point in my life the sliding doors moment happened.

There I was 19ish voting Labour regularly insulting Gyles Brandreth when on the same train each week to now I'm sending emails to conservative mps and making official complaints about Labour mps.

I wonder if the best point for women - in terms of law - was 2003. The GRA was not yet law but the Sexual Offences Act was.

And I wonder if we even needed the Equality Act really, presumably at some point someone would have / would have brought a case about breastfeeding in public and won it. They'd have won it because refusing to serve or throwing a woman out because she was breastfeeding, would've been sex-based discrimination. Or we could've just lobbied for it.

Also the utter horror that the internet has unleashed on women and children hadn't yet happened. The opportunity was there to have put some sensible laws in place.

Instead, fetishes have flourished in parallel / partnership with an incel culture, and the unwritten rules of the internet totally favour men and male sexual preferences. Oftentimes violent ones.

And now look where we are. Worse off than 20 years ago.

ArabellaScott · 20/01/2023 20:24

2003 was an excellent year. 😊

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DameMaud · 20/01/2023 20:47

JulesJules · 19/01/2023 10:43

Excellent thread here on 'what needs to be resolved in the Great Gender Debate'

twitter.com/NABurkinshaw/status/1615609414173483009

Think I might have found my hero!
She is so adult!
The mum I never had!
The woman I hope to be!

Also, she is the teacher who was intimidating to me- and who, as a child I thought of as 'scary' or 'bad' in some way- and yet, some other part of me loved her too- because she made me feel safe and solid.

At this time in my life, I most clearly see women with that teacher's forthrightness and honesty and self-possession as powerful and much needed and they fill me with awe, not fear. Some inner recognition is ignited by them too.

The way NB articulates the points in her thread, have that same knife-sharp succinctness and integrity as Helen J, Maya, KJK, KStock.

These women who stand up and speak (or write) their beautifully-balanced minds (compassionate AND assertive. Rational AND sensitive)- make me want to be all of what I can be. And I thank them for that.

(Makes me wonder...anyone would think there are men who have been projecting their own 'hysteria' onto deeply rational women all these millenia!)

When all of this is over, whatever happens, the treasure I'll take from the desolation will be the discovery of my sense of what it means both personally, and culturally, to be a woman.
Thanks to the powerful Queen/Goddess archetypes that have arisen in the current time. At a time when sorely needed.
Inevitable really, any extreme or any darkness, automatically brings with it it's opposite and light.

I wish I could print that twitter feed out and stick it on my wall.

Thanks for posting Jules

Needmoresleep · 20/01/2023 22:17

In fairness I think Paul Bristol was protecting a colleague because he recognised his colleague needed protecting. A woman sitting in the same position might well have done the same thing. Using their back to block those stares.

He noticed, he was shocked, and then tweeted about it. He also seems to have ensured that Miriam did not have to leave the chamber alone.

Women know about aggressive men. Some men do as well.

I really hope that Labour do something about this. Creepy. Threatening. Unacceptable. They can’t let it pass.

Abhannmor · 20/01/2023 22:30

He certainly seems a bit unstable. That always makes people seem more frightening. I suspect many a CLP would be looking to deselect him. But of course....Brighton.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/01/2023 22:49

And I wonder if we even needed the Equality Act really, presumably at some point someone would have / would have brought a case about breastfeeding in public and won it. They'd have won it because refusing to serve or throwing a woman out because she was breastfeeding, would've been sex-based discrimination. Or we could've just lobbied for it.

We had the Sex Discrimination Act and I wish we had kept it.

Datun · 20/01/2023 22:56

DameMaud · 20/01/2023 20:47

Think I might have found my hero!
She is so adult!
The mum I never had!
The woman I hope to be!

Also, she is the teacher who was intimidating to me- and who, as a child I thought of as 'scary' or 'bad' in some way- and yet, some other part of me loved her too- because she made me feel safe and solid.

At this time in my life, I most clearly see women with that teacher's forthrightness and honesty and self-possession as powerful and much needed and they fill me with awe, not fear. Some inner recognition is ignited by them too.

The way NB articulates the points in her thread, have that same knife-sharp succinctness and integrity as Helen J, Maya, KJK, KStock.

These women who stand up and speak (or write) their beautifully-balanced minds (compassionate AND assertive. Rational AND sensitive)- make me want to be all of what I can be. And I thank them for that.

(Makes me wonder...anyone would think there are men who have been projecting their own 'hysteria' onto deeply rational women all these millenia!)

When all of this is over, whatever happens, the treasure I'll take from the desolation will be the discovery of my sense of what it means both personally, and culturally, to be a woman.
Thanks to the powerful Queen/Goddess archetypes that have arisen in the current time. At a time when sorely needed.
Inevitable really, any extreme or any darkness, automatically brings with it it's opposite and light.

I wish I could print that twitter feed out and stick it on my wall.

Thanks for posting Jules

Interesting part of her tweet

she said she was frightened but it's only transphobia if it was a transwoman right?

She didn't actually say it was a transwoman did she?

What is he going to call it they're not obvious transwomen?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/01/2023 23:08

I think he thinks women have to treat any man at all who is dressed in what people might perceive as women's clothes as a "trans woman".