Is anyone else watching the debate in the HOC live now?

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Gripping stuff. Unfortunately I've missed the 1st 30 minutes, and I'm hoping I can catch up.

MorvenOfMalvern · Today 15:16

And now Ben Bradshaw also defends LRM and his own heckling as "calling out transphobia" ...but doesn't say what that was?

Bradshaw, no surprise to see him weighing in, too. Of course he can't say what it was, because there was none and they both know it.

twitter.com/BenPBradshaw/status/1615657811391778816?t=oik7LRoxJ_CtvT9vfoJN4A&s=19

It's so like the JKR thing though because no one ever actually says what it is that's transphobic. So you're left with the sense that it's having any opinion at all.

Fucking hell. A woman says

'No women should have to deal with male aggression/abuse at work'

And the response is

'We won't stop calling out transphobia'.

I find that fucking chilling.

It's witch hunting, it's 'know your place', it's open misogyny.

At least the witch hunters are out in plain sight now.

'We won't stop calling out transphobia'. = we will not stop bullying women who stand up for themselves.

As I said on another thread, these loony Righteous swivel-eyed zealots are really frightening.

When you read some of the responses to women voicing their concerns, it's like they're being replied to by robots.

Labour's gone from alienating the Jewish population under Corbyn to women under Starmer. Delightful.

It's terrifying isn't it.

I'm listening to it while making soup and I'm disgusted by all these people acting like there are no conflicts with women's rights and child safeguarding. Women have already been raped due to this nonsense. Children have been harmed for life.

It's just vile

ArabellaScott · Today 15:38

Fucking hell. A woman says 'No women should have to deal with male aggression/abuse at work'

And the response is 'We won't stop calling out transphobia'.

And it's not just the response, it's the way he shouted and bawled at her, whilst pointing his finger. If you point at someone on the Tube, you may be arrested for assault.

It's the pointing finger that pushed me over the edge more than his shouting to be honest. Probably as for me that was always the indicator that violence was about to occur. Shouting on its own, not great but once the finger comes into play that's losing control on a different level to me.

The fact that he couldn't see how his tweet which had the finger pointing and shouting right there at the start, and just autoplays on everyone's quote tweets, was going to come across. And the amplification of the horror of it was just mind blowing.

Some other footage from the same debate, I think:

twitter.com/markthehibby/status/1615689604908072962?s=46&t=lGv62kbevgc_ScPll7EilQ

Jess Phillips talking about the heckling

mobile.twitter.com/TalkTV/status/1615696590513098756/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1615696590513098756&currentTweetUser=TalkTV

Ah , Jess Phillips, as useful as a chocolate teapot.

Ah Jess Phillips! So she realised that her sniggering while a woman MP, Rosie Duffield, was being bullied didn’t look good. Now she’s on damage control. I don’t know whether to laugh at her or be impressed by her self-serving political adroitness. Are you reading this Jess? Lots of women are.

I find it odd that she felt the need to be coy about which male MPs it was heckling. Who benefits?

I would have a lot more respect for KS and the Labour Party if those who behaved badly were properly identified and action taken. As they would be in any other workplace.

It does seem like there is a disconnect somewhere there.

What a risible, cowardly, self-serving performance from Jess there.

I detected some internalised misogyny as well: "women heckle, I heckle!!" OOOOHHH well done Jess!! Ya just like one of the lads!!

Peston interviews Mhairi (clip):

twitter.com/itvpeston/status/1615816382167367681?s=46&t=BaNcBkgUQzWDLADj2ApKdA

Does anyone else just find her awful?

I just saw a tweet about Karin Smith and it used the term ‘barracking’. I was most confused until I realised she was NOT saying that men were ‘cheering on’ the women discussing their sex based rights.

Obviously words take on different meanings in different countries. I am glad I looked it up though because it completely changed the meaning of what she was saying.

I get update emails from The Telegraph - the latest one is seeking views if anyone wants to email in.

Your View | After Rishi Sunak blocked Nicola Sturgeon's gender reforms, do you agree with the Prime Minister – and why? Email a short comment to [email protected], with Front Page in the subject line, and include your name. Your view might be included in an article.

Boiledbeetle · Yesterday 19:41

It's the pointing finger that pushed me over the edge more than his shouting to be honest. Probably as for me that was always the indicator that violence was about to occur. Shouting on its own, not great but once the finger comes into play that's losing control on a different level to me.

To me, combining that with the footage of him saying that he'd fight in the streets, I get the idea that he wants to join the trans zealots in beating women up. Seriously. Labour need to get rid of him, but Starmer and Thornberry have come down on the side of Sturgeon, with Thornberry essentially denying that he was abusing her.

Thornberry must think we're all idiots, bearing in mind we can all watch it for ourselves. But then, she also thinks that men can have a cervix, so maybe it's her who's the idiot?