Is anyone else watching the debate in the HOC live now?

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Gripping stuff. Unfortunately I've missed the 1st 30 minutes, and I'm hoping I can catch up.

@WarningToTheCurious yes that was in my mind.

I'm going to be honest after watching parliament all afternoon and funding myself disgusted at some Labour people and ageing with conservatives....I feel like I need a very hot shower, unclean! Unclean! God how did the world get so topsy turvy that I would be ashamed of Labour and cheering on the conservatives.

That Lloyd bloke was like a rabid dog.

Miriam Cates nailed it in her speech. She communicated the issues clearly and eloquently. I was touched to see the Father of the House stand up to the Chief Misogynist of the House - it is good to see someone oppose the bullying of women.

Rosie Duffield spoke the truth. She looked so alone, as her colleagues physically distanced themselves as much as possible. She is a brave woman; it is harder to stand up to your “friends” than to your opponents.

Of course, Jess Phillips was sniggering - she likes to suck up to the boys. I wonder if she realises that she needs women voters too?

Finding not funding agreeing not aging.

You don't need a GRC to have the protected characteristic of gender reassignment.

I've asked on here what rabid gammon means, Google just gives me recipes. Is it a Scottish insult?

Peter Bottomley isn’t in thrall to gender ideology - he publicly condemned the ousting of Kathleen Stock from her job.

From the internet

One such word that has been present in British internet culture, for at least the last few years, is ‘gammon’. But what does this insult mean, really, and where did it come from?

The term gammon is, generally speaking, a pejorative used to describe a middle-aged to elderly right-wing man.This meaty reference identifies the flushed red face and sweating one might experience while shouting about Shemima Begum, Brexit, or ‘snowflakes’. This gives the man in question the appearance of a piece of ham marinated in a honey glaze. Delicious.

Thanks @oldwomanwhoruns . Victory for the moment. BUT I'm sure they'll twist the results to suit some hidden agenda and like Cerberus another head will pop up. It's like whack a mole

@Boiledbeetle thank you. It's actually quite accurate a description of the Welsh Tory leader 🙄

BUT there were women present I wonder how he itches to describe them

Boiledbeetle · Today 19:11

The term gammon is, generally speaking, a pejorative used to describe a middle-aged to elderly right-wing man.This meaty reference identifies the flushed red face and sweating one might experience while shouting about Shemima Begum, Brexit, or ‘snowflakes’. This gives the man in question the appearance of a piece of ham marinated in a honey glaze.

Apparently, it has venerable origins in a Dickens novel, with a very similar meaning.

@justasking111 there was a thread the other day and the woman posting was being called a gammon by a young oik that works with her. So I assume these days its a both sex insult

@SinnerBoy that would make more sense that it had an older origin. It seemed too well thought out for the internet generation!

www.spectator.co.uk/article/gammon/

Collins said that in Nicholas Nickleby (1838), ‘Dickens used the word gammon to describe a large, self-satisfied, middle-aged man who professes an extreme patriotism in large part to disguise his essential selfishness and corruption’.

I was going to use the New Statesman version, but I don't want to pay.

I've just listened to M Cates via the link posted previously and she was wonderful. She spoke very powerfully and I'm horrified at the over the top aggression directed at her by the beardy guy. Lloyd whatever. Screams of transphobia and no actual argument. As per.

Anyway, I was going to ask, it sounded like MC was being continually angrily heckled. It felt different to the usual heckling you hear in the UK parliament. However, the speaker did nothing to call it out. I found that unusual. No?

Damn! Posted too soon...

Dickens didn’t mean that Mr Gregsbury was a gammon or looked like one. He meant he spoke gammon – rubbish or cant, a meaning in use since the 18th century. It developed from gammon meaning an accomplice who distracts the victim of a crime, such as one who ‘jostles up to a Man, while another picks his Pocket’ (1718).

Yes. It is so obvious that the “most marginalised and vulnerable” have been kicked into play as a political football by the SNP. There’s such obvious DARVO going on -NS accusing others, calling it ‘unconscionable’.

Does NS have a deep hatred for women do you suppose. I can't think of another explanation.

Reading about Darvo today apparently the sex workers find the get together very lucrative.

It does indeed. I doubt they've even read Dickens

LRM has tweeted his own performance. And turned off replies

Quote tweets worth a browse though

https://twitter.com/lloyd_rm/status/1615411768532271106?s=46&t=JBIKKX9ZocgC9cQKnG5iyw

That bloke Russel. Loves a bit of argy bargy

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53433917

Gawd just watched his fake anger at a woman standing up for women

idiot of a man who is so self important

The timing is perfect as you scroll down the quote tweets the clip just starts playing in each one so you get his pinched face and Pointing finger on each tweet.

glorious 🌞🌞🌞🌞🌞🌞🌞🌞🌞🌞🌞🌞🌞

Christ on a bike, I've just watched a clip of Miriam Cates followed by LRM. The speaker needed to have intervened more assertively, that cannot be an acceptable way for an MP to behave. He was so aggressive, don't tell me that arsehole doesn't hate women.

EVEN THE GRAUN:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/17/blocking-scotland-gender-recognition-bill-rishi-sunak

"Sturgeon has weaponised gender recognition as part of her showcasing of Scottish progressivism, causing unusual strains in the SNP along the way. She also needs a fight with the UK to distract attention from the current rethink on her independence referendum strategy. This is not the first time she has pushed the boundaries of the devolution settlement. She has done it on children’s rights and on a second independence referendum, too. It’s what she does."

Has LOJ exploded yet?