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Complications from trans surgery!

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Ihatedonuts · 16/01/2023 20:20

I know it's a daily mail article but I can't help thinking. We only ever hear positive stories but the figures tell us this. I really hope the men and woman are getting the support they need from these complications. 🥺

Half of trans surgery patients suffer pain, sexual issues years later mol.im/a/11629421 via dailym.ai/android

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IcakethereforeIam · 16/01/2023 22:27

One of the saddest and most surreal things I heard was a woman who was caring for an elderly transwoman.

He was suffering from dementia and kept forgetting he had transitioned. He became distressed that his penis was missing. His healthcare worker was in danger of being disciplined for misgendering him.

PoochPalace · 16/01/2023 22:28

As this isn’t a space I understand I can’t get my head around it - the surgery and risks I mean. When surgeons first pioneered a heart transplant say, or stem cell treatment, there is research, medical due diligence and a strong element of peer review until protocols etc. are developed. This might be more niche but all ‘pioneering’ procedures start this way. It seems whatever someone’s personal belief on the operation itself these patients are being failed in their medical care. I’m just shocked and v naive no doubt.

AnnieSnap · 16/01/2023 22:28

Catori · 16/01/2023 20:39

"Of the 80 trans women sampled in the Canadian study, almost 54% reported ongoing pain up to two years after their vaginoplasty surgery. Many had more than one symptom, which included vaginal dryness, numbness, malodor and issues with the wound's healing" Heartbreaking that the down side to these procedures is not fully explained to those seeking these type of surgeries. Other European studies I have read report similar issues. The only people that appear to be benefitting from these largely experimental surgeries are the surgeons who financially benefit and of course the pharmaceutical companies that benefit from these males being on lifelong cross sex hormones and other meds for the complications that usually come with that medical regime.

I don’t think we can assume that potential problems are not explained by the Surgeons. Potential negative outcomes are explained to those wanting cosmetic surgery, but people don’t listen. They want what they want and decide it won’t happen to them. Also, for the most part, the Surgeons and pharmaceutical companies are not the bad guys here. Those campaigning for trans ‘rights’ are highly militant and litigious. Politicians, medics etc are walking on egg shells!

TheKeatingFive · 16/01/2023 22:29

It is my understanding that the older M to F self ID transitioners generally don't have any hormone or surgical intervention. It is the younger people who are encouraged to have surgery and hormones

Yes this seems to be broadly true. What could be driving that disparity I wonder? 🤔

Xiaoxiong · 16/01/2023 22:29

Ihatedonuts · 16/01/2023 22:07

I understand you have been following this. But some of us are new to this and we don't always understand the physical consequences

Keep asking the questions!! There is a reason you haven't heard about this - discussion is censored or completely banned from discussion on many sites, Mumsnet is one of the only ones to allow honest discussion and even here we have rules we have to follow and words that are banned. There are whole news outlets which will not publish these things such as the Guardian or the BBC on the basis that it's transphobic to discuss. You will be accused of transphobia even to worry about the people going though these surgeries and that is enough to make many people keep their concerns to themselves if they can get fired for transphobia.

And yes, there are people getting fired from jobs and losing work because of accusations of transphobia.

AlisonDonut · 16/01/2023 22:30

The Yeet the Teets surgeon/monster in the USA doesn't have medical negligence insurance so can't be sued.

Bet you're all glad you hid the old nasty feminist board now. We've been highlighting the issues for years.

EdgeOfACoin · 16/01/2023 22:30

This thread will be deleted or pushed onto the feminism boards very quickly.

littlelid · 16/01/2023 22:31

If its NHS they must tell them the chances of what might go wrong and what they will end up with though?

TheKeatingFive · 16/01/2023 22:31

Also, for the most part, the Surgeons and pharmaceutical companies are not the bad guys here. Those campaigning for trans ‘rights’ are highly militant and litigious. Politicians, medics etc are walking on egg shells!

I can't say I agree with this at all. These medics cannot be forced into performing experimental surgery. What about the Drs in the US advertising it?

TheKeatingFive · 16/01/2023 22:32

Bet you're all glad you hid the old nasty feminist board now. We've been highlighting the issues for years.

This

IcakethereforeIam · 16/01/2023 22:33

endofthelinefinally · 16/01/2023 22:27

It is my understanding that the older M to F self ID transitioners generally don't have any hormone or surgical intervention. It is the younger people who are encouraged to have surgery and hormones. I honestly don't think teenagers are able to make these life changing decisions.

If these young men are on sm, they are vulnerable to being victims of 'sissyfication' (Jesus, this is insane I sound like a fucking conspiracy theorist). It's a fetish, the older guys get off on it.

TheKeatingFive · 16/01/2023 22:34

If it's NHS they must tell them the chances of what might go wrong and what they will end up with though?

Having read testimonies of detransitioners on other sites, most of them seem to have virtually no understanding of the risks and actual outcomes. These were all very young when they transitioned.

boojongles · 16/01/2023 22:35

Wanderingowl · 16/01/2023 22:22

Last year when the whole commotion about Kiwi Farms was happening I took a look at the forums to judge them for myself. Without getting into what KF is like, I ended up on a thread where posts from other parts of the internet from people who had these surgeries are collected. And OMFG, it's horrific. I honestly believe that if these photographs and personal descriptions of the aftermath of these surgeries were put together as mainstream news, these surgeries would be halted immediately and banned after an investigation. They are terrifying.

Yes. The SRS and gender confirmation surgery thread on KF.

I too went down this rabbit hole and there are hundreds of posts from all over the world showing the outcomes. Some of them are truly horrific, and many regret having the surgery and feel they were lied to.

The "new" organs absolutely do not function as they are supposed to. It's terrifying to read and should be talked about and shown to young people contemplating these surgeries.

Angliski · 16/01/2023 22:35

There’s a trans woman on the couples therapy programme on BBC who has exactly this problem.

littlelid · 16/01/2023 22:36

TheKeatingFive · 16/01/2023 22:34

If it's NHS they must tell them the chances of what might go wrong and what they will end up with though?

Having read testimonies of detransitioners on other sites, most of them seem to have virtually no understanding of the risks and actual outcomes. These were all very young when they transitioned.

How sad. I assumed they only did this sort of surgery on older people. 18+

TheKeatingFive · 16/01/2023 22:37

How sad. I assumed they only did this sort of surgery on older people. 18+

Nope.

littlelid · 16/01/2023 22:38

TheKeatingFive · 16/01/2023 22:37

How sad. I assumed they only did this sort of surgery on older people. 18+

Nope.

Thanks. I think I'm going to do some reading up so I understand what's going on better

boojongles · 16/01/2023 22:38

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TheKeatingFive · 16/01/2023 22:39

The latest thing I saw was some nutter on Twitter talking about potential womb transplants from 'living donors'.

Like you can just scoop a womb out of one person, plug it into another and grow a baby 🤯

IcakethereforeIam · 16/01/2023 22:40

KimberleyClark · 16/01/2023 22:24

Not true, many male female to male trans people don’t have bottom surgery and they can have children if they keep their internal reproductive organs.

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If they've been on puberty blockers and then straight onto wrong sex hormones their gametes won't mature. They will be sterile. No option to harvest sperm or eggs.

Excess testosterone causes vaginally and uterine atrophy, I believe in many cases the only cure is a hysterectomy. Some transmen do get pregnant, doctors are still unsure of the effect of excess testosterone on the babies in utero, particularly baby girls.

ArabellaScott · 16/01/2023 22:40

The fact that children and young people are being sent on a 'path' that suggests that they need medical treatment to 'affirm their gender' is one of the driving reasons feminists have been banging on about all of these issues for years.

No child is born in the 'wrong body'.

boojongles · 16/01/2023 22:40

I just linked to the KF thread but it was immediately hidden, so I'm guessing that HQ have a trigger set up for links.

Search this and you'll find it:

SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

Pinky1011 · 16/01/2023 22:41

In all due respect wth did these people expect?? There are enough risks with normal routine surgery. Never mind creating a blooming vagina in a place where a vagina is definitely not meant to go!

MzHz · 16/01/2023 22:42

Babdoc · 16/01/2023 20:43

Why are they calling it a vaginoplasty? No surgeon can create a vagina - what these men have received is basically a surgical fistula, with all the inevitable problems that come with it.

Grim.

but yeah. Absolutely.

MiaMoor · 16/01/2023 22:42

You can see it unfolding on SM, places like Reddit - there are subreddits for eggs (those newly thinking about being trans - on this board this is very often porn addicted men), there’s pressure to transition.
Other subreddits encourage surgery, validate each other.
No women’s subs are allowed, all are infiltrated by TW - lesbian subs, pregnancy, breastfeeding. In fashion and hair groups all over SM men are fawned over and given the validation they seek, mostly by women.

In other depths of SM we come to the surgery regret side, mostly denied and downplayed, and the detransitioners, bullied and silenced.

It’s a mess. There are more red flags than you could imagine, yet still the ideology marches on, grown adults cowed by TRAs, terrified that they may be treated like JKR.