Complications from trans surgery!

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I know it's a daily mail article but I can't help thinking. We only ever hear positive stories but the figures tell us this. I really hope the men and woman are getting the support they need from these complications. 🥺

Half of trans surgery patients suffer pain, sexual issues years later mol.im/a/11629421 via dailym.ai/android

It's all fucking madness. If I identified as a one armed woman, no doctor in the land would surgically remove one of my arms.
If I identified as a three armed woman, again, no surgeon in the land would affix a third arm onto my body.

What i don't understand is how they find so many surgeons willing to do these surgeries. What happened to the hippocratic oath...First Do No Harm? Mutiliating healthy bodies seems to be something you should be arrested for, not applauded for.

That is a WHOLE other conversation! The whole reason I had vaginoplasty was down to being, frankly, mutilated by a doctor.

(and the hippocratic oath taken by doctors doesn't include "first do no harm". It does include I shall never intentionally cause harm to my patients, and will have the utmost respect for human life. though)

I don't know anyone who has had it (I am on a facebook group for people in the same situation as me) who is left feeling 'normal'. I was made aware that this would be the reality after it.

I think a big part of the issue, though, is how could somebody having 'gender reassignment' surgery possibly have any idea of what should feel 'normal' for the opposite sex - much less actually experience normal function that was (and is) never going to be a factor in their own biologically sexed body?

It's not like, say, suffering kidney failure in later life, having a transplant and then being able to compare living with your new transplanted kidney with your previous experience of living with two originally healthy kidneys.

Nice rty, but no. That is NOT someone tryign to force someone to have surgery, at all. That is just the somewhat reasonable attitude of "no penises in the womens spaces".
Men without penises are still men, but they're a little less threatening than men with penises. For some women, men without penises are ok in womens spaces. Not so much for the rest of us.

Any actual examples of where people are being forced into surgery?

The bloke who identified as an alien clearly found some doctors willing to remove the tip of his nose, his ears, his top lip and 2 fingers. See also the man who identifies as a parrot.

I still think any plastic surgery is also a slippery slope - no-one would be getting lip filler if women weren’t constantly conditioned to think that thin lips are mean and ugly, and “plump” lips are aspirational. You see loads of women saying they got lip filler because you can’t see their top lip when they smile - that’s normal! Why is it suddenly ugly? Imagine if plump love handles were suddenly “in” and people got filler there because they now hated their thin love handles.

At least that’s dissolvable, this is for life.

Well, in Iran a gay man will be given the choice of transitioning, a long prison sentence or death. Iran is considered by tras to be very accepting of transgender people.

Also, and I don't know if this was the pp point, pressure can be societal or familial. What choice does a little boy, whose earliest memory is being told he is a girl and he always said he was a girl, really have? I can think of three boys this has happened/is happening to who are in the public eye. They were gaslight by their parents from very young. Because they liked 'girls' toys. Two were straight onto puberty blockers, then wrong sex hormones, then penile inversion. One's mother was filmed laughing that the puberty blockers hadn't left the surgeons much to work with. Laughing that these, arguably, unnecessary drugs had stunted her son's penis.

Although puberty blockers are touted as being 'fully reversible' and 'just a pause' to give the child time to think. In fact, at the Tavistock, close to 100% of children given these drugs went on to have surgery. The long term effects of the drugs are becoming better know. They damage bone density giving young people the bones of a pensioner. Kids have wound up in wheelchairs. They may have long term effects on cognition as they retards brain maturation that normally occurs as part of puberty.

IMO any sort of plastic surgery seems to be based on “convince people they have a problem and should hate themselves, sell them a solution”.

There are lots of issues with plastic surgery and perhaps that should be a whole other thread.

However, I don't think its comparable to 'lets cut off your functioning sex organs and replace them with poor facsimiles of different sex organs that don't work properly and your body is in no way set up to support.'

No. Not at all. What about those that have had serious burns, for example. Do you think plastic surgery to correct painful scarring is "selling them a solution"?

Normal was the wrong word. By normal I meant, basically, pain free.

There's plenty of videos/animations showing male→'female' but none the other way round. Presumably they do a hysterectomy but what about the vagina, and the clitoris, do they just bin it?

It's all fucking madness. If I identified as a one armed woman, no doctor in the land would surgically remove one of my arms.
If I identified as a three armed woman, again, no surgeon in the land would affix a third arm onto my body.

There are some people who feel like one or more of their healthy limbs is “wrong” and want it removed. For some it’s a sexual fetish about amputation but for others it’s just a feeling that this part of their body shouldn’t be there. These people are often very unhappy with their bodies as they are.

These people are regarded as having a mental health issue and are referred for therapy rather than given a medically unnecessary amputation. I think this says it all.

I'm so glad this is being spoken about more widely. It's a horror show that's been occurring right in the open, but no one seemed to notice or care what was happening.

With Mermaids being investigated and the Tavistock being closed, and of course the Cass report, I hope people are beginning to see how genuinely awful it is.

I read a thread some months ago about Ritchie, a detransitioner, and his story was just horrific. I'm going to link the thread here - it's well worth reading through everything as he describes life post-surgery. The bit about dripping really got me. The whole thing is just bloody awful.

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The bloke who identified as an alien clearly found some doctors willing to remove the tip of his nose, his ears, his top lip and 2 fingers.

Yep and the medical community regards these doctors as morally dubious at best.

Although puberty blockers are touted as being 'fully reversible' and 'just a pause' to give the child time to think.

Aside from all of the stinking obvious negative physical effects that anybody can see, nobody can ever fully know (if they even bothered to try to research it) the damage that this can all do to a person's mental and emotional health and any resulting traumas for somebody whose mental wellbeing is already clearly compromised.

It's basically wading blindly and full-pelt in to the unknown: very much like a great deal of the dubious research that's done on rats, where the researchers know that they can be bold and try the craziest, most dangerous experiments and then, worst-case scenario, it's 'only a rat' that they can disregard and fling into a bin. Except they are now ignoring the rats and doing it on human children.

Obviously I don’t mean surgery to fix a genuine physical issue. I mean surgery to completely functional, healthy body parts that weren’t causing any physical problem, just to appease what is a mental health or self esteem issue.

As long as you were made aware of it and understood this then I don't see the issue

Who decides what is a physical issue though

Normal was the wrong word. By normal I meant, basically, pain free.

Fair enough, maybe; but what if 'normal' is far from pain-free? We see enough threads on here where natal females don't know how much pain with periods, childbirth and postnatal legacies should be considered 'normal'. Not that there actually is a 'normal' - as if 'women' were just one big homogenous lump.

These are people that I just can't feel sorry for no matter what they're going through. It sounds really harsh but I just can't

These are people that I just can't feel sorry for no matter what they're going through. It sounds really harsh but I just can't

You don't care about children with mental health problems who are coerced into permanently mutilating their bodies, losing their future fertility and living with regular pain (and thus resulting deeper MH issues) by professional adults whom they should be able to trust? Really?

Coerced? Please elaborate. Maybe it's my ignorance but I thought in these type of situation it's always THEIR choice to go ahead and do these surgeries. And how does mental health play a role in this? Again, maybe it's just my ignorance.

Yeah that's fucking horrible.

Sorry to hear about your pain.
With self-id, I think some people hold on to the notion of "must've had surgery" as a quick and dirty way to ascertain who is "genuine". But I agree with you, I don't think there should be any external incentive in surgery especially like this where it is so highly risky.

I'm afraid that's why I just draw the line at no male people in female spaces. More than happy to see third spaces, though. We just need to hang on to single-sex provision.