Complications from trans surgery!

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I know it's a daily mail article but I can't help thinking. We only ever hear positive stories but the figures tell us this. I really hope the men and woman are getting the support they need from these complications. 🥺

Half of trans surgery patients suffer pain, sexual issues years later mol.im/a/11629421 via dailym.ai/android

There is a Canadian transwoman on twitter (whom I like), who posted about approaching medics regarding Canada's Medical Assistance In Dying program in the future. They've had all the procedures, including vaginoplasty. They posted that they didn't want to "get old in this body".

Doesn't that make you feel sick with dread for the current generation?

it's just so fucking frustrating to watch the potential problems finally being openly discussed now.

I would argue that many of the people advocating these treatments have unexamined and very dark attitudes towards 'correcting' gay and autistic people. Leaving aside the aging AGPs, the younger people all just want to feel 'normal'. The so-called professionals nodding along to this are akin to Mengele in my view. It's eugenics.

Messed up the quotations above. Meant to say, to this: it's just so fucking frustrating to watch the potential problems finally being openly discussed now.

Yes, it's crazy-making that we've been monstered for trying to point all of this out for YEARS, but what makes me so angry is that it apparently takes a certain body count of the most vulnerable people in society before people start to take any interest.

There was a thread about this a while back. A detransitioner likened it to 20 minutes of self torture a day, a reminder of how stupid you’d been. They were of course denounced by the trans community on Twitter.

@Lockheart Did the dismissive "oh well" on the front page and the deleted posts totally pass you by?

Did the many responses denouncing the callousness of the post pass you by? Can you do counting and work out the ratio: one nasty comment, scores of deeply concerned ones?

This is what disgusts me about TRAs: they simply don't do good faith arguments.

I'm very far from a TRA.

You said "every single response" which is patently untrue. Don't try to change the argument now you've been told you're incorrect and then complain that I'm the one acting in bad faith.

This thread is brilliant and appalling in equal measures. So many people just do not realise the consequences for youngsters being brainwashed by trans activists on SM.
Here in Scotland we have been fighting the SNP's drive to amend the GRR to include sixteen year olds...who are not considered mature enough to legally have a tattoo!

@Lockheart , every single response - except for the one that was denounced as callous and rightly deleted. Ok then. You've definitely won that point. 🙄

It wasn't deleted, it is still standing.

And several other other posts have had to be deleted.

That was an excellent point contrasting this with FGM.

We condemn cultures where young girls aren't acceptable as they are until they are mutilated to be made into a 'real' woman.

In the West, we tell vulnerable people that they aren't acceptable in their identity until they are mutilated (even more extremely) to be made into a 'real' man/woman (whichever one they aren't).

Everyone is finding a persona, wants to belong. It used to be and still is Skinhead, Teddy Boy, Goth, Instagram queen etc. Many teenagers feel misunderstood and 'other', they almost all seek a clan.

How often do we look back in horror at stupid superficial, easily reversible things like clothes we wore and hairstyles we had (not always that many) years ago and feel so glad that we've moved on now? How many people deeply regret tattoos further down the line, never mind having lost their healthy genitals and breasts for no reason whatsoever?

This is interesting. I wonder if people can join the dots?
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-64223032

It should have been. I'll report it now.

Perhaps you can turn your attention to the facts in this thread instead of nursing your bias.

What I find bizarre is that TRAs, who purportedly care about the health and happiness of young trans people, try to shut down conversation about this.

Why would that be?

To make sure I'm covering my back, perhaps there are TRAs raising concerns. I have however never come across any.

I just meant Tesco supports lots of charities. So it must be safe charity to support and ethical.

FGS I'm on the same side as you in this debate! My bias is the same as yours! You can search my post history if you like and you'll find me just last night saying I'm pleased about the challenge to Scottish gender reforms.

That doesn't mean I can't get annoyed at outright lies.

I am struggling to understand your point. Sorry. I genuinely thought the crappy post had been deleted. I have just reported it. The vast majority of this thread is expressing profound care and concern about the care offered to trans people.

Morning all! Such a lot of replies and I have learnt some new things. Not sure if it was all good.

How often do we look back in horror at stupid superficial, easily reversible things like clothes we wore and hairstyles we had (not always that many) years ago and feel so glad that we've moved on now?

Well exactly. Like many people, I was briefly a goth as a teen. I heard my mum refer to it as a phase to my auntie and I was livid. But she was right. In fact, it was a very short phase. 😳

In this case, you aren't even allowed to suggest it's a phase and if it turns out to be that, then some poor individuals are living with irreversible effects for the rest of their lives. It's an absolute tragedy.

Most teenagers are uncomfortable with their changing bodies. I know I was. It's scary to think how easily this can turn into taking action that they later regret, especially while cheered on by peers and 'well meaning' authority figures.

Corporations like to virtue-signal, as do people. A great deal of the support for gender ideology is plainly virtue-signalling. It's not based in facts or coming from an ethical stance.

The only thing shocking about the figures is that they are not higher. In fact they probably are, many people are so bought into the narrative that they won't admit to difficulties.

What i don't understand is how they find so many surgeons willing to do these surgeries. What happened to the hippocratic oath...First Do No Harm? Mutiliating healthy bodies seems to be something you should be arrested for, not applauded for.

“And this is because the TRA narrative is mostly pushed by men, but backed up by very angry and strange women who seem to have accepted that women are just a series of holes.”

Not necessarily angry and strange women - many will not read any of this without a bias because women tend to be conditioned to put men first, to be kind.
I lost a very dear friend to this, she couldn’t bring herself to read anything that wasn’t all unicorns and sparkles about GRS or transing children, because it was disloyal to her TQ+ friends. She is the sort who tailors her whole life to be the kindest person ever. To be faced with someone like me, who questions it all and points out that autistic girls should be protected, was too much for her.

There’s also women who choose to remain ignorant. I’m quite surprised that some regular AIBU posters haven’t complained on this thread, or asked for it to be moved to the feminist boards, maybe the tide is turning? There are loads of women who think this doesn’t affect them so ignore it all.

Having had vaginoplasty. Yes, it's incredibly painful (one reason I am very strongly against people being forced into having full trans surgery). Yes, it creates life long problems. I don't know anyone who has had it (I am on a facebook group for people in the same situation as me) who is left feeling 'normal'. I was made aware that this would be the reality after it.

That's horrific. However, this is unfortunately what happens when we conduct surgery that we aren't biologically built to handle.

Why are you strongly against something nobody has ever wanted? Pretty bizarre standpoint.

What i don't understand is how they find so many surgeons willing to do these surgeries. What happened to the hippocratic oath...First Do No Harm? Mutiliating healthy bodies seems to be something you should be arrested for, not applauded for.

I think that those who even bother to try to justify it will argue that the danger to the patient's MH without the surgery is severe, and so that trumps everything else; but of course, if their MH is bad before they get their bodies mutilated, how anybody in their right mind (much less somebody with the skill and acuity to become a surgeon) can possibly think that performing the surgery will help to improve their MH defies any and all logic.

One example was yesterday someone said they were happy for trans women to use womens spaces but only if they'd had the surgery to create a vagina. If a transwoman doesn't want the full surgery, that is their choice. And a choice I support as vaginoplasty is incredibly painful and I can 100% understand why someone would want to avoid that level of pain.