Complications from trans surgery!

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I know it's a daily mail article but I can't help thinking. We only ever hear positive stories but the figures tell us this. I really hope the men and woman are getting the support they need from these complications. 🥺

Half of trans surgery patients suffer pain, sexual issues years later mol.im/a/11629421 via dailym.ai/android

Jeez - in my mind there is no difference between these surgeries and this guy for example www.indy100.com/viral/black-alien-project-tattoos-modification-2658822636. Mutilating yourself in an extreme way (getting rid of important functional bits of your body) in the hope it will make a mental issue better.

www.indy100.com/viral/black-alien-project-tattoos-modification-2658822636

@TheKeatingFive - I saw that video yesterday. It disgusted and frightened me on a very primal level. Transplanting in a complete set of female or male genitalia won’t work at this point. A natal male having periods or bearing a baby is wicked taboo.

I absolutely agree.
I think MAID and transitioning will both be looked back on as being barbaric.
I can see the original good intentions behind them but there's a dirty rotten underbelly that's only just starting to be exposed.

Some (indeed many) adults are vulnerable to ideologies which have cult-like aspects, so it always concerns me that they tend to be forgotten. I agree with what you have said regarding teenagers though.

I was reading feeling really awful imagining. I had major surgery this year and there’s nothing more than a want to heal and return to normal.

But you have a point actually. Real vaginas generally are troublesome - painful, bloody, can be dry, tight or malodourous. I suppose it is different but would they want an actual real vagina if they knew all the dramas it entails.

There will definitely be suicides, assisted or otherwise. :(

Others will just plough on for years, requiring patchup work on an irregular basis, waiting longer and longer for each treatment (as healthcare services are clogged up with aging and increasingly obese populations anyway) and taking longer to recover each time. A new Type II Diabetes, basically.

What a fucking shitshow.

"Just live your life happily as a nice gender-non-conforming gay man, find a lovely boyfriend and live happily ever after, The End" sounds a lot nicer as an alternative life story, doesn't it?

I think understandably people with transition regret are reluctant to speak up. They risk not only losing their community, but having it turn on them.

They may feel ashamed, embarrassed, stupid, like people who've fallen for other cons sometimes do. Some of them may feel they've put their family through hell and, possibly, in serious debt. They may be estranged from their families.

I believe it's not unusual for some people to fluctuate between trans and detrans. It must be so difficult.

They may be afraid of mockery from us. Or that we might use them against the trans community, their friends.

It's a horrible situation for anyone to be in. How could you expect to find help and compassion from people you've been told are your enemies?

I think Stonewall have making noises. Cynical me, thinks they likely see detransitioners as another revenue stream. But if it gets them help.....

Let's hear Daniel Radcliffe, and the rest speaking up or putting their hands in their pockets.

I think Stonewall have making noises. Cynical me, thinks they likely see detransitioners as another revenue stream. But if it gets them help.....

I'd like to see detransitioners get help too but I would hate to see them exploited again by an organisation as unprincipled as Stonewall.

Not transphobic, but looking at the scary facts.
One of my best friends (yes, I know) was a mtf trans woman, who had surgery aged 40 ish.
She was brilliant and funny and warm.
Some people ostracised her because she always had odour issues. She also confided in me that her neovagina had shortened over ten years so that she could no longer have penetrative sex.
She had a massive totally disabling stroke six years before she died, after years of taking artificial hormone treatment.
She still thought it was all worth it.
She died before the rise of misogynistic trans activity and before I became GC. I wonder what she would have made of it all.

Mary Harrington calls this stuff meat lego - the belief that humans are a series of interchangeable parts to be swapped around as we wish.

Me and you both @FOJN

Link to an article about something I mentioned upthread, the ban on 'conversion therapy' that Scotland* want to bring in, what is considered to be conversion, the penalties and the consequences

www.scottishlegal.com/articles/kc-finds-scottish-governments-conversion-therapy-proposals-draconian

*SNP and unhinged allies

Trans women who have had bottom surgery don't have vaginal dryness because they don't have vaginas. They have surgically created holes that are essentially wounds they have to keep reopening through dilation as the body attempt to heal and close these wounds. It's barbaric.

Very sorry to hear about your friends suffering and your loss. I feel thee must be another, better way.

@WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll " I can't help wondering if this is deliberately done to minimise what is actually being done and to give the patient a wholly unrealistic idea and grossly false expectations. "

It must be! It's the only explanation for referring to a double mastectomy as just plain old ' top surgery ' , as if it's nothing at all, certainly not the major surgery, usually only performed to treat or prevent cancer that it actually is!
That makes me so angry!

Thank you so much for this thread. I have read it from beginning to end. I confess I haven't understood all of it, it's somewhat like learning a new language with all the acronyms and terminology. I hope it remains an active thread, and also hope it remains in aibu.

Very moved by the Chloe interview. Excellently done by JP.
I think the big problem for me is children taking hormones to change puberty. How can a child that young give informed consent? Then hormones change cognition to the point where its a slippery slope to other poor decisions.
Awful

I know a surgeon and he confided in me that the surgeons who do these operations they are the ones you definetely don't want. The good surgeons become heart surgeons and brain surgeons. It's where the prestige is also. The other good surgeons do general or have their own specialisations. The sex surgeries are high risk for complications and very experimental. The doctors that have other options don't want to touch these with a ten foot pole. So these poor people get the last of the class doctors for such insane operations.

I am originally Belgian and in Belgium a woman who wanted to change sex to a man had the operations. There was one complication after another and the tissue in the crotch area started to necrotise and die off. The doctors had to cut a lot away and she ended up not being able to urinate and in immense pain and applied for euthanasia.

These hormones and surgeries are sold to young kids and mentally vulnerable people like its not that big of a deal but they are. So many peoples lives are destroyed because of it. Even if you are pro trans, surely you must see that there needs to be better information and regulation regarding these.

Never usually into psycho babble but agreed with everything JP said in the interview. Especially the most people are miserable for a few years in adolescence! Everyone is finding a persona, wants to belong. It used to be and still is Skinhead, Teddy Boy, Goth, Instagram queen etc. Many teenagers feel misunderstood and 'other', they almost all seek a clan.
Social media has upped the stakes.
Teenagers play around with personas.
Think it's criminal that life changing hormones are offered when there really are so many different options to express gender which is fluid. Everyone has male/ female traits and always has done.

Yep. Sounds about right. But they're too busy burying their heads in reddit subs getting fed lies about how great it is and if fixes everything! Nothing can go wrong and when it does is your fault for not researching enough. 😂 because you know doing research I guess prevents you from a life time of suffering? It's all so predatory and sinister.

It's just so fucking heartbreaking. I don't believe in natal cross sex identities ("born trans") though I do believe a very small number of people, far fewer than currently identify as trans, have life experiences that take them to a place where they are genuinely happier living as/being treated as the opposite sex.

But even though I don't believe it's real, I still hope every single one of these people lives their live in the firm belief that they were genuinely, physically transgender and the treatment they had was necessary, because I would not wish for anyone to spend their lives knowing they chose this when there was no need.

It's interesting to see the difference in information between a web search for "mastectomy side-effects" and variations thereon, compared to the results for "top surgery side-effects".

When a trans Hollywood celebrity detransitions makes a big stink about it and the media is forced to stop tip toeing around the issue.

People assume that transwomen are poor tortured souls who can only feel better by submitting themselves to this horrible body mutilation. It's natural to feel some sympathy for anyone in that situation- although they need third space provision, not access to women's spaces. However, the vast majority, including those with (or intending to get) a Gender Recognition Certificate, do not. Now that the Scottish government has tried to pass a law where, in effect, you can pick a GRC up for a fiver from the post office, it is all coming out about how most transwomen have no intention of getting this difficult surgery but still want all the access.
Google autogynophillia if you are wondering why.