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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

All 5 Brit nominees for Artist of the year (Gener neutral) are……..

271 replies

Timestamp · 12/01/2023 16:51

Men………Quelle Surprise

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/bizarre/21025033/harry-styles-leads-brit-award-nominations-2023/

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nepeta · 12/01/2023 20:01

ExiledElsie · 12/01/2023 19:40

It's possible it's pure chance that it's five men this year, and it might be five women next year or the year after.

Yes, it was pure chance. Absolutely. Just as likely it will be 5 women next year. 😂

We need more data to determine if this is by pure chance. More years. As things stand, it would be possible to determine the odds of this happening by chance if the distribution of excellence was the same in both the male and female populations of artists.

JarByTheDoor · 12/01/2023 20:02

ExiledElsie · 12/01/2023 19:40

It's possible it's pure chance that it's five men this year, and it might be five women next year or the year after.

Yes, it was pure chance. Absolutely. Just as likely it will be 5 women next year. 😂

Theoretically it's possible. Humans are prone to seeing nonexistent order in chaos — if you take five different-coloured batches of tiles and want to tile your wall randomly, you'll have to be quite careful in arranging it to look random — if you actually do it randomly, you'll end up with sequences and patterns in there that don't look properly random at all. And if you throw five coins in the air at the same time, sometimes you'll get five heads.

In this situation, obviously, shortlist selection is not just random. There are people making choices as to who to include, who will be involving their own biases and prejudices and aesthetic and sexual preferences, as well as all the powerful and biased factors influencing who gets to the stage of being available to be chosen.

I don't think it's impossible, though, that the five best artists this year (if we could define "best" objectively, which we can't) just happened to be men. What do we gain by arguing that it would be a literal impossibility for that to be the case? The arguments are no less strong if we concede that, even in a totally equal society, some years would have fewer or no females and some years fewer or no males.

ExiledElsie · 12/01/2023 20:13

even in a totally equal society, some years would have fewer or no females and some years fewer or no males.

Back in the real world women losing out to men was totally predictable. I would be delighted if we could review this in 5 years' time and I was proved wrong.

nepeta · 12/01/2023 20:14

Does this change mean that there are now only five finalist places and there were ten in the past? In other words, fewer winners overall?

ZenNudist · 12/01/2023 20:24

What a shame. Its so sad that this is the direction we are going in in 2023.

WeWillLookBack · 12/01/2023 20:29

It isn't 'chance' that they haven't bothered to have any females. This shite has been rife throughout the BRITS. They don't care how it 'looks'

Since 1977 - ONLY 1 FEMALE GROUP HAS WON BEST GROUP - Little Mix in 2021. Before that, the only women ever were 5 Star in 1987- mixed sex group.

The only FEMALE GROUPS nominated in 45 years are:

Shakespears Sister - 1993
Eternal - 1995
Spice Girls - 1997
All Saints - 2001
Sugababes - 2003 & 2004
Girls Aloud - 2008 & 2009
Little Mix - 2017, 2019 & 2021

So 11 female groups out of c225 nominations.

There have been some mixed sex group - Eurythmics / M People etc - but obviously the women have stopped those poor men winning.

nilsmousehammer · 12/01/2023 20:42

Oh look.

That thing we said would happen

that they said definitely wouldn't happen

has happened.

Again.

Doyoumind · 12/01/2023 20:49

They're safe from criticism because the likelihood of anyone of any standing or influence speaking up are nil. So many 'feminists' will know in their hearts it's wrong but they won't say anything. What a ridiculous situation this nonsense has created.

Blister · 12/01/2023 20:52

The thing that wouldn't happen because the token women are selected when we remember to be fair. And the men were genuinely better, didn't you know? 🙄

ArabellaScott · 12/01/2023 21:16

Front page BBC also being terfy.

'Last year the Brits discarded gendered categories, merging best female and best male into an overall best artist category.

Accepting the prize in 2022, Adele announced: "I understand why the name of this award has changed but I really love being a woman and being a female artist!"

This year, however, women are excluded from the category - despite high-profile releases from the likes of Charli XCX and Florence + The Machine.

It's a result that has undoubtedly caused concern at the BPI, which organises the ceremony.

As the nominations were announced, it noted that 42% of this year's nominations went to female artists or female-fronted bands, comparable to last year's figure of 46%.'

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-64248726

NotRightNowNo · 12/01/2023 21:25

Well, I'm shocked i tell you 😲

OlleOskiFelle · 12/01/2023 21:31

But, but noooo, just coincidence surely 🤔

nepeta · 12/01/2023 21:36

I believe that many young women now have forgotten that it's sexism and sex-based mistreatment more widely that is the problem for women and girls. If you have no knowledge of history or even recent history, you might be rather shocked at what is going to happen even more widely now that the category of female sex is erased in language but certainly not in misogyny or sexism.

yepmetoos · 12/01/2023 21:45

What a pisstake!

Musomama1 · 12/01/2023 21:47

The music industry is male dominated from the top to the bottom. Most groups are males, so the artist award is really important to have gendered, to have greater representation of women.

So effed off for this. Hopefully one or more of the nominated artist acts will do the right thing and protest.

All because of one already massively successful male. Non binary is a nonsense.

Expect more of this in other industry awards. No one standing up for women. Rotten as Helen Joyce says

ArabellaScott · 12/01/2023 21:49

What is surprising is that no nonbinary female artists were nominated.

Did I say surprising, I meant utterly predictable.

ArabellaScott · 12/01/2023 21:49

So effed off for this. Hopefully one or more of the nominated artist acts will do the right thing and protest.

Hello.
It's me.

HereForTheFreeLunch · 12/01/2023 22:39

Appalonia · 12/01/2023 17:28

And it was just ONE individual, that caused this change. What power they have.

It was ONE man that caused this change. What power HE has.

This would never have happened had it been a woman who had a strop.

HereForTheFreeLunch · 12/01/2023 22:42

nepeta · 12/01/2023 21:36

I believe that many young women now have forgotten that it's sexism and sex-based mistreatment more widely that is the problem for women and girls. If you have no knowledge of history or even recent history, you might be rather shocked at what is going to happen even more widely now that the category of female sex is erased in language but certainly not in misogyny or sexism.

This!! Young women don't know what sexism really is until pregnancy and childbirth.

They shouldn't need to know so not blaming them - but this is really sickening and so predictable.

OohILoveItWhenYouDoItLikeThat · 12/01/2023 22:46

Caught the Radio 2 news bulletin about this. Sounded terfy. Referred to it as "excluding women".

Now if only they can apply the same logic to everything else they've deemed transphobic over the past 5 years.

ArabellaScott · 12/01/2023 22:48

No TWAW person can complain about this. None at all.

This is your mixed sex, gender free paradise. Women are represented by eyeshadow.

Get used to it.

OneMorePlant · 12/01/2023 22:55

Well I'm so shocked no woman was nominated. How could this happen?

All 5 Brit nominees for Artist of the year (Gener neutral) are……..
XanaduKira · 12/01/2023 23:01

FunnyTalks · 12/01/2023 17:00

I genuinely thought that they'd make an effort to include token women for the first few years in order to prove us bigots wrong!

That would have required self awareness, I guess.

I thought exactly the same. Fuckers.

Delphinium20 · 12/01/2023 23:01

Hey, Adele - we've got a space for you here!

Rainbowshit · 12/01/2023 23:07

Who'd a thunk it?🙄🙄